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11-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Yes they took the hounds out on a planned hunt, but it wasnt planned for them to kill a domestic animal. Just the same as when I walked my dogs I didnt plan on them hunting down and killing a squirrel.

Believe it or not but huntsmen and hunt supporters are not any less upset about the hounds killing a domestic animal than the average pet owner.
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11-02-2012, 05:59 PM
The next time you are out with your dog, will you let him off lead in the area where he killed the squirrel?
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11-02-2012, 07:15 PM
Yes, I already have done and will continue to do so. I'm not going to keep them on lead wherever there may be squirrells!

But anyway, thats besides the point, I was trying to highlight that these things do happen, I wasnt pleased with the dogs doing that, they dont make a habit out of it. But accidents do happen.
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11-02-2012, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Collie Convert View Post
Yes, I already have done and will continue to do so. I'm not going to keep them on lead wherever there may be squirrells!

But anyway, thats besides the point, I was trying to highlight that these things do happen, I wasnt pleased with the dogs doing that, they dont make a habit out of it. But accidents do happen.
and if your dog killed someone's cat? - after all, accidents do happen

This is how ridiculous the analogy between the two is.
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11-02-2012, 07:48 PM
Thats the point...it happens probably on a daily basis but isnt always publicised.

If my dogs killed a cat then I would be very sorry for it happening of course...but it wouldnt stop me exercising my dogs.

I am not arguing that the cat being killed wasnt wrong or that the dogs werent out of control...I just dont like people that use any excuse to shout loud how hunting is wrong etc etc.
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11-02-2012, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Collie Convert View Post
Thats the point...it happens probably on a daily basis but isnt always publicised.

If my dogs killed a cat then I would be very sorry for it happening of course...but it wouldnt stop me exercising my dogs.

I am not arguing that the cat being killed wasnt wrong or that the dogs werent out of control...I just dont like people that use any excuse to shout loud how hunting is wrong etc etc.
If my dogs killed anything I'd make as sure as I could that they wouldn't do it again. If they did it it would mean I hadn't got control of them and thats bad news especially if you have a gang of dogs.

They'd get a very quick and hard refresher course in how to behave and what is not acceptable.

If they can run off after a rabbit/squirrel when I am calling them they could do it anywhere and that isn't on.

It is why Benj is on a lead unless I am sure of the areaI am in, it is why we practise a lot of instant downs with all of them and it is why Champa will soon also be on a lead more often. Since he can't hear and can't see very well I am not putting him in any situations I can't control.

It all comes down to that----control----and if your dogs are killing things they aren't under control.

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11-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Collie Convert View Post
Yes they took the hounds out on a planned hunt, but it wasnt planned for them to kill a domestic animal. Just the same as when I walked my dogs I didnt plan on them hunting down and killing a squirrel.

Believe it or not but huntsmen and hunt supporters are not any less upset about the hounds killing a domestic animal than the average pet owner.
your analogy is redundant......

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I really dont understand how some folk think it is credible to compare one man walking his dog in an negligent and thoughtless way, the consequences of which it breaks into someone's garden and harms a pet, to the preplanned event of taking a 40 odd pack of trained hunt dogs on a deliberate 'hunt', whereby the masters will be informed and aware, the consequences of which a number of dogs break into someone's garden and harm of someone else's pet.

What if the Isle of Man TT race organised a race whereby dozens of motorbikes ran a race around, throughout, and within your village or town and vehicles crashed into people's gardens killing their pets?
Would you then be:
a) Full of anger that an "organised event" is isnt organised enough that it puts in place, procedures, and regulations that aim to avoid intrusion into private and unsafe areas?
b) Justify the event 'as is' on the basis that any Tom, Dick, and Harry driving thru your village could be lax and cash thru your hedge?

Somehow how i think the vast majority of sane and reasonable people would opt for a), even if they were big fans of motorbike racing.

And no, dont come back and tell me the analogy doesnt fit, and it damn well does. The analogy of comparing an organised hunt to the activities of some lone numpty is the one that is incredulous.
Besides which, the lone numpty causing harm isnt some sort of rationale for the organised hunt, it just means the are the same sort of people, numpties that put their own convenience before other people's rights, lives, or pets.
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11-02-2012, 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Collie Convert View Post
Thats the point...it happens probably on a daily basis but isnt always publicised.

If my dogs killed a cat then I would be very sorry for it happening of course...but it wouldnt stop me exercising my dogs.

I am not arguing that the cat being killed wasnt wrong or that the dogs werent out of control...I just dont like people that use any excuse to shout loud how hunting is wrong etc etc.
Sorry, but are you seriously saying that if you knew your dog would kill cats you would let them off lead in an area where you knew there were cats?????

If so, then there really is no point in continuing the debate on this
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11-02-2012, 09:00 PM
Very well said Krusewalker
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11-02-2012, 09:40 PM
I would never forgive myself if Jake ever went into someone's own garden and killed their pet.

And if a dog got into my garden, and killed my pets, whether it be a rabbit, cat or dog, then I can't describe the anger I would feel. Nobody should have to worry about their pets getting killed in their garden, never mind their pets being killed by 10+ dogs...

I can't quite believe hunting hounds out in a pack are being compared to dogs being out for a walk with their owners...
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