Re dogsey, certainly a funny lot. I have seen some really cruel group mentality on here. Cyber bully really, I don't care but how must it come across to the casual observer

The dog world is changing people, apdt is a gonner, lots less members than before. The whole reward based movement is going nowhere fast, yeah you can do fancy tricks with lots of oc chat but you can't stop the dog going for the next scary one that comes along, whats the point in that.
Talk is cheap and no one cares about the journey except hikers!
In 10/15 years I think balanced training will rule, that means aversives mixed with reward based methods, you only have to look at the top sport trainers who use e collars and clickers to know this.

On the subject of e collars, We live in a society with less time to train and less space to exercise dogs. E collars reduce training time and increase exercise opportunities.
The price is dropping every year. Four years ago a average remote collar was a sizeable investment, now I click by it now without a thought.
By many peoples own admission the rise in tricky breeds is giving rise to e collars, huskys/mals in the hands of the general public are great as long as they have control, guess what gives them that and without a lifetime on the lines!
Wolfdogs ect are just the same.
Even the general person with a couple of labs is no longer able to risk a dodgy recall or keep them on lead for years, once again an e collar is the logical solution.

I wonder too how many of you dog lovers would kill you healthy pet instead of e collar train it? Maybe lots on here but out in the real world lots wouldn't!

Social acceptablty is geared by the society its in, right now I think things are changing. I talk to people about collars everyday and it gets easier every day to sell them on e collars.

The futures bright, the futures e collar!

Adam

I can. I don't do lead tugging/yanking OR use choke chains.

This will (I suppose) be my last post on here!

First off a few apologies, sorry for the crap spelling and grammer, Thats just me tbh! Sorry if anyone has felt got at, but this is an internet forum and if you didn't want it brought up don't post it up!
I note many of you have delved into my history (via the internet) you can do what you like, I've nothing to hide!
I'm sure I will see a few of you around some who live in the southwest (Rune, Tassle, Nippy ect) and maybe misflyn at the dog show, btw I have a beard now but might not by then!

My primary interest from the start (of my business) has been the dogs! People I can take or leave, I have had no interest in making friends or becoming infamous/famous through this, I like my job but am sure there are easier ways to make money. Certainly ways that won't get me hate mail or bitten or the terrible statement ''this is his last chance''. But what the hey, I'm in it now and won't back out, once again for the dogs.

Re dogsey, certainly a funny lot. I have seen some really cruel group mentality on here. Cyber bully really, I don't care but how must it come across to the casual observer?
Also your all stuck on how pro dog you are but really what do you do?
Imprison them to leads and lines for life, pts when they get to much to handle and pass it off as badly bred or whatever.
I think many people are well meaning but out of their depth with bad advice.
If you look at a lot of prominent pet owner posters they have one thing in common, months of positive training and very little progress.
I've yet to see any advice but very basic fluffy stuff either. There are pages of anti e collar crap but not one word about how to get the same result with food or toys.
At least I spell out my methods.
Mostly the advice seems to be about how to be a more benelovent prision guard to your dog than anything else.

Dogs/training in general, well wear to start. Several people have questioned the welfare of my techniques, yet at the same time rescues are full of dogs with mild issues that were dumped by owners who couldn't fix it, ten minutes with an e collar and I'd do more for these guys than many could do in a week.
Sadly most will be pts!

The dog world is changing people, apdt is a gonner, lots less members than before. The whole reward based movement is going nowhere fast, yeah you can do fancy tricks with lots of oc chat but you can't stop the dog going for the next scary one that comes along, whats the point in that.
Talk is cheap and no one cares about the journey except hikers!
In 10/15 years I think balanced training will rule, that means aversives mixed with reward based methods, you only have to look at the top sport trainers who use e collars and clickers to know this.

On the subject of e collars, We live in a society with less time to train and less space to exercise dogs. E collars reduce training time and increase exercise opportunities.
The price is dropping every year. Four years ago a average remote collar was a sizeable investment, now I click by it now without a thought.
By many peoples own admission the rise in tricky breeds is giving rise to e collars, huskys/mals in the hands of the general public are great as long as they have control, guess what gives them that and without a lifetime on the lines!
Wolfdogs ect are just the same.
Even the general person with a couple of labs is no longer able to risk a dodgy recall or keep them on lead for years, once again an e collar is the logical solution.

I wonder too how many of you dog lovers would kill you healthy pet instead of e collar train it? Maybe lots on here but out in the real world lots wouldn't!

Social acceptablty is geared by the society its in, right now I think things are changing. I talk to people about collars everyday and it gets easier every day to sell them on e collars.

Anyway I've said enough, keep an eye on my youtube and google my name anytime your interested to see what I'm up to.

The futures bright, the futures e collar!

Regards

Adam

Pet owners won't have their membership withdrawn just because they use or advocate shock collars - but we are drawing the line when they can be classed as 'commercial/business' users.

A wise decision Azz .

As far as possible I believe in free speech and if someone came on here and said they choked/electrocuted/kicked their dogs I would be disgusted and I would say so.
However if they then went on to call themselves a dog trainer and suggested such methods were a suitable way for other people to treat and train dogs and actually solicited clients that to me would be a different matter entirely.

There will no doubt be those who argue it is a matter of opinion what is or is not a safe method of training, but as far as I am aware no device or than the e collar has been as widely condemned as a training aid by all the main UK canine welfare organisations and a large number of training organisations including...
•British Small Animal Veterinary Association and British Veterinary Association
•Scottish SPCA
•Scottish Kennel Club
•Kennel Club
•Dogs Trust
•RSPCA
•Blue Cross
•Association of Pet Dog Trainers
•Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors
•The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
•Association of Chief Police Officers
•Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland
•UK Armed Forces

...not to mention the ban in Wales. I just hope a UK wide ban will follow .

Fair enough, but I am happy to see that I will be able to continue to post the successes - and failures, if any - of our dog Ben having to suffer the cruelties of being zapped just twice.

Just as a reminder, it is over a week now since Ben had to have any form of correction whatsoever via his e collar.

How many of you can say that over the last week you have NEVER had to give your dog a correction - via his lead with a tug, or a choke chain if you use one.

Incidentally, I have been accused of the potential of not being truthful regarding the success of the e collar.

As I didn't have to post on Dogsey in the first place that OH had used an e collar on Ben, I find that insulting to say the least. One thing I can never be accused of is not being honest. I am open and up front about how I view dogs in general, but more particularly my dogs, and I have said that I will report any negativity, if any, that occurs. I am a maverick, I know, I do not care a fig what other people think about me, I do what I think is right for my dogs, whom I adore - even that little chihuahua belonging to my daughter (never thought I would ever admit that in public!!) - and I declared that my husband had used an e collar on Ben in full knowledge that I would get a slating. I don't have a problem whatsoever with that, but to be accused of hiding any negative problems that may crop up is just going too far.

I am not happy about that. I have said that I will report from time to time on h ow things are going, good or bad, and so I will. Tomorrow of course I am not at work, and I am looking forward to another brilliant time with my boys in the woods.

No, you didn't have to but you chose to start a thread, announcing your use of an e-collar on Ben, despite knowing how the majority felt about e-collars. Therefore, I'm afraid it is hard to feel sympathy with your complaint that you feel "insulted".

T
The futures bright, the futures e collar!

Regards

Adam

As has already been said - there's always something to debate on Dogsey

But e collars & prongs are where I draw the line personally but I'm not going to fly off half cocked at someone just because they use a prong or a flat chain or even an e collar without knowing the whole story FIRST.