Eastbourne might be yours---Mablethorpe is mine!

LOL.

rune

It would depend on too many different factors to be able to give a black and white "yes or no" answer.........

What exactly the training method was in the first place? Then the individual dog, what it could cope with, what I could cope with, how much I trusted the trainer, how much I thought it would help the dog's welfare as a whole, what the issue was in the first place, whether I could carry through the training in day to day life, how much of a liability the dog was.........to many variables!

LOL to that as well My friends pointer is deaf and her last resort sign is to palm her forehead several times. I nearly knocked myself out when I did it!

rune

Kibo's main problem has been not stopping barking when I'm preparing food in the kitchen, it doesn't matter whether it's been mine or his

I tried clicker training with "quiet" and "speak " commands but he was so fixated on the treat that the barking became louder and more persistent. Just ignoring the unwanted behaviour wasn't working either.

Last week he wound me up so much that I stopped dead in my tracks, put down the knife that I was cutting stuff up with and said to him " you'll go in your bed if you don't be quiet"

Blow me down, he shut up straightaway and it's still working!

Not sure if that counts as a last resort training method, but it's the only one that's worked for that particular problem

It would honestly depend on the individual dog, the problem and what had been tried already. I looked into those devices that shall not be mentioned for Ruperts sheep chasing as it affected his quality of life in quite a big way.

I have no idea what a last resort would be with Spencer to be honest. I don't see any of his behaviours as problematic enough to require a last resort of any sort.

can you imagine seeing someone doing that in the park????

Ditto. I think one cannot always know until one is actually in the situation.

I guess the last resort is rehoming or PTS

Otherwise there is always something else to try

If the question is would as a last reasort I turn to harsh abuse methods - NO if I agreed with them at all I wouldnt leave them to last reasort
I dont use them because they are dangerous and dont work for the reasons I would want

I would prefer a dog pts than live a life shut down and in fear

Very much agree with this - if the problem was that bad that the dog had NO quality of life.....

Again, it depends though on the individual circumstances of the dog.

I don't necessarily think using corrections for one problem leads to the dog living its life shut down and in fear to be honest. A last resort is just that, a last resort. And imo for a behaviour to be problematic enough to require a last resort it's gotta be really serious and affecting the life of the dog badly. And of course other methods should be ruled out first.

I'm still not sure whether I actually could have gone through with the device that shall not be mentioned with Rupert. In a way I was actually quite glad when I was told it was extremely unlikely to be effective

I suppose in Ruperts case my last resort was management since there was literally no other option short of putting him to sleep.