I don't think I disputed that - just certain threads like this one, where there'll be no more controversy - quieter thread with shorter life, nothing more to say or argue against, once everyone's agreed, far, far fewer posts, less negativity, easier to read - suits me.

The ABCs I have been with 'Dogweb'/Dogsey almost from its inception amd I can assure you there has always been controversy and very few people agree all the time, such is the nature of debate .

We go months without e collar discussions then every now and then someone will mention them and a salesman (or banned troll) will pick up on it and try to use it to their advantage. In my opinion such people will not be missed neither will the lack of their presence stifle debate. Controversy and debate will continue as ever.

I didn't know the UK Armed Forces were against them - well done lads!

As has already been said - there's always something to debate on Dogsey

Fair enough, but I am happy to see that I will be able to continue to post the successes - and failures, if any - of our dog Ben having to suffer the cruelties of being zapped just twice.

Just as a reminder, it is over a week now since Ben had to have any form of correction whatsoever via his e collar.

How many of you can say that over the last week you have NEVER had to give your dog a correction - via his lead with a tug, or a choke chain if you use one.

Incidentally, I have been accused of the potential of not being truthful regarding the success of the e collar.

As I didn't have to post on Dogsey in the first place that OH had used an e collar on Ben, I find that insulting to say the least. One thing I can never be accused of is not being honest. I am open and up front about how I view dogs in general, but more particularly my dogs, and I have said that I will report any negativity, if any, that occurs. I am a maverick, I know, I do not care a fig what other people think about me, I do what I think is right for my dogs, whom I adore - even that little chihuahua belonging to my daughter (never thought I would ever admit that in public!!) - and I declared that my husband had used an e collar on Ben in full knowledge that I would get a slating. I don't have a problem whatsoever with that, but to be accused of hiding any negative problems that may crop up is just going too far.

I am not happy about that. I have said that I will report from time to time on h ow things are going, good or bad, and so I will. Tomorrow of course I am not at work, and I am looking forward to another brilliant time with my boys in the woods.

I am not a salesman or a banned troll, and yet I have mentioned them! I have nothing to gain, and everything to lose. I have had several pm's from peeps whose opinions I value, stating how disappointed they are in me.

I would be disappointed in me if I hadn't had the guts to consent to something being used on my dog which I wasn't in favour of, but could see that we had reached the end of the road.

Incidentally, your little snipe about where we have borrowed the collar from didn't go unmissed - not that it is anyone's business, but we have borrowed it from our next door neighbour

There's no 'hand up' smiley, but if there was, I'd use it . I think you might be surprised at how many more wish there was one too

I can. I don't do lead tugging/yanking OR use choke chains. And yes, I do know my dogs are smaller than yours, but I still can say I haven't done it.

As can I! This is getting a joke now, I am not a supporter of choke chains or lead tugging. But how the hell do you compare lead tugging to the use of a Ecollar

Count another one here. I've never used a leash pop, choke chain, or any other aversive training with my dog.

thats what I was thinking