Spot Did I give the impression that they should be left to get on with it and did you overlook my second post when I said..

You say 'these places are doing nothing illegal', I am not convinced many of these places aren't already doing things which are illegal like exceeding the number of dogs they are licenced to keep and breed from and failing to keep dogs in accordance with law when it comes to their living conditions and over all care.
And what about the illegal Puppy Farms, are you saying there aren't any of those or just that none of the brood bitches from these places are taken to rescues.

When it comes to buying a puppy from a puppy farm the Dogs Trust say..
The most effective thing is pretty simple – don’t buy a puppy from a puppy farm. Hit them where it hurts – in their pockets!

and the RSPCA say ..
Concerned about the welfare of a puppy?
Never buy a puppy just because you feel sorry for it. If you are concerned about the health or welfare of a puppy, please contact the RSPCA 24-hour cruelty and advice line: 0300 1234 999. Calls are treated in the strictest confidence.
..so 'Don't buy the puppies' is the message, they don't say 'please rescue a puppy or it will die' and that will no doubt be the fate of some puppies ,the message here is clear, resist the temptation to take these puppies for the greater good. There is no mention of the ex breeding bitches and what can be done to help them .
While many people are aware of puppy farms and the sickly puppies they produce and we have seen programs about them recently all of which help to heighten the awareness of the puppy buying public, the plight of the brood bitches rarely if ever seems to get a mention.


KC says ''But if we didn't take the ex breeder she would be killed and a young dog would still take her place'.

I have no doubt many ex brood bitches don't make it to rescues in the first place and many of the sites giving information about puppy farms confirm this,here is just one example...
...there are many more examples stating the bitches are killed. So why do the Puppy Farmers allow a small number of brood bitches to go to rescues why not just kill them all?

As I said in my second post, the one you chose to ignore I think the whole issue of ex breeding dogs needs looking into and I don't think those of us who mention the plight of the brood bitches should be glibly dismissed and made to look the bad guys for daring to bring the subject up.

I am not for one moment saying rescuing any dog is not a good thing to do but there is a bigger picture here and I don't think we should be lulled into a sense of complacency by the thought that all ex breeding bitches make it to freedom when in all probability only a tiny minority do.

Of course they are doing things illegally like having too many dogs – but while the authorities give warning when they are to visit – lets face it it only takes a couple of hours let alone days to move these dogs off the property and sweep up a bit.

Did I ever say there were no illegal PF – if so show me where! Do rescues have access to these, or again when reported the powers that be and they eventually go out to inspect – low and behold no dogs (where to you think most of these went?

Oh right so now the RSPCA saying nothing about brood bitches means don’t rescue them? What the RSPCA is trying to do is educate the public to stop the demand – that’s the way to stop puppy farming

So what do you suggest – please if you think you can help tell us what you would do? Just stop the rescues taking these dogs? Do you honestly think this will stop the PF?

Yep many do not make it to rescue – now is that KC’s fault. As I’ve said the rescues are not silent – they have lobby groups but if they go in all guns blazing they will lose the chance to even save a few – is that what people who are so against these rescues really want? The rescues do make a difference – many PF do now keep these dogs in better conditions because of rescues trying to educate.

I don’t think anyone has glibly dismissed these breeding bitches – surely if KC or any rescue taking them did that – they wouldn’t be taking them in the first place or driving 8 hours to get them out. What seems to be the problem is that its now the rescues fault for taking them in and if anything has been dismissed it’s the damn good and hard work that these rescues do to help them!

Just who is being complacent about it – trust me the rescues would love nothing better if there were no breeding bitches (and studs btw) to take in. There is nothing complacent about taking these dogs in and rehabilitating them for a wonderful life and nothing complacent about trying to educate both the public regarding taking these dogs or the farmers to have them in better conditions until they can be shut down.

Until there is proper licensing to STOP puppy farming and educate the general public this will be a no win situation.

'Disposing' is a very emotive word. Those ex-breeders exist. The puppy farmers no longer want them. What would happen to them if there were no people willing to take them on? They'd probably just get PTS or dumped, who knows.

I don't think by rescuing these dogs it is unacceptable, not caring for those dogs would be.

Oh. Have I missed the point of the post? Sorry am a little confused now.