No Dawn I'm not being silly I am explaining her behaviour to you. I missed the e collar bit out on purpose as you are so offended by it...can't win obviously.
Okay.
She is anxious when she sees other dogs running...lots of lip licking and she will often start to pant. Not a huge amount and I suppose some people may miss it...but it happens more often than not. She then fixates. She now has a good recall away from this sort of situation, but she does not want to pay attention...at her worst she won't even take a treat but that's rare, we can often get her sitting now. IF she is free, she will chase and floor the dog. She will then back off if the dog stays down. If the dog tries to run again...she will stop it.
She does not do this to dogs that are standing still or lying down...she is pretty fine with them. It is an issue about running.
She is hyper about other dogs that she sees that are still or just walking, she is so keen to say hello and more often than not she will say hi then come away with no problem, she doesn't 'like' all dogs (especially small ones) but loves some larger dogs, Dylan the Labradoodle being a particular fav!!! They will play with her onlead...but Dylan is a muppet and doesn't run off, he boxes with her and plays her way.

Anyway suffice to say this is an issue with running dogs. She wants them to stop. She is such a friendly girl and is so fab with Cosmo (but doesn't like him running either) and with many other dogs she meets onlead...I think she has been punished for chasing dogs on shoots.

She also chases birds...but she won't let them land. Again she would have been punished for that.

She would also chase sheep given half a chance. Given she lived out in the sticks...I think she would also have been punished for that. Either that or she just didn't get out much....

I think she has been punished for all of those behaviours because she is anxious.
I think it was a shock collar as she would now know she isn't wearing it. It could have been used in those situations to stop her before she did it...or whilst doing it.
The dog chasing thing I think she wants them to stop BECAUSE she associates running dogs with punishment.



From day one. All dogs running.
No need to apologise... I didn't think you were having a go or anything.

some of them do come good very quickly..................some don't , some need to be given a great deal of time, neamy is still not what i would call a normal confident springer after a year of being here, and no i don't know anything for sure about her past, i just know what i see with my own eyes a very scared, very nervous dog, and the reputation of the kennels she came from, thats why she stayed because she had nothing to give and rehoming her would have been unfair

is she aggressive when shes flooring other dogs? or is it really rough play that you feel could be upsetting to other dogs and start a fight?

sorry for asking questions, but im not really up to speed with her situation I think I must have missed a lot when I had my few months away from the forum at the start of the summer

She sounds aggressive but the only time she makes a noise is when she plays with Cosmo and yes the noises are similar, but she does sound like she is killing him. She would use force to stop them I think and she has hurt Cosmo a couple of times...but he goes into muppet zoomie mode when she starts now which doesn't help.

it sounds to me like overly rough play, more so as cosmo just gets even more excited by her behaviour,

poss she doesnt really know how to properly interact with other dogs could have been a lack of socialisation as a pup,

im going to stick my neck out and say, if she were mine and I new I had safe dogs for her to be off lead with, I would be tempted to let her off lead, if the other dogs dont seem overly bothered by her being a wee fart.. lol

does she dive on there back and pin them?

If she were mine, I think from the behaviour you have described (and clearly it is hard to know exactly what is happening when you haven't seen it for yourself) I would probably assume that she is a dog with a high prey drive (ie chasing birds, dogs, sheep etc), she is unsocialised (ie the reason for flooring the running dogs) and she possibly spent much of her life sitting in a kennel doing very little, so is now having a fabulous time getting to see the world.

Do you know which estate she worked on, or even how much she was actually used and for what? I know a few gamekeepers and none of them use FCR for work, but wonder if it was a different type of estate to the one I am used to and therefore the dogs have different roles.

Yes. She will not let them move. When she lets them go...if they move she will floor them again.
Cosmo is not a dog whose behaviour can be used to indicate much Shona...he is a muppet...but yes I take your point with it
She will hurt them.
She wants them to stop. What she wants to do if she plays is lie on the floor and play lick and paw games.

Ailsa where are you, i am happy for you to use some of mine as stooges, if you decide to take shona's advice, my lot are used to dogs like that and don't react at all, i don't thik you're too far away

whats she like with dogs that just amble along?

It's good to get a couple of different perspectives on it.
No idea what estate she was on no.
I suspect she was kennelled a lot as she had no stamina when she first came to us.

Yes I think she has a high prey drive too...( the owner of the pug the other week didn't look too impressed when she started to stalk him)
Unsocialised....possibly yes. I have no reason to think she has been well socialised. Although she doesn't like small dominant sort of males much (I hate the d word but you know the type I mean I think...) She much prefers big dogs. I do think she has had some exposure but yes maybe not a lot.

I still think she has been punished for chasing...she does get anxious, not playful when shes sees dogs running. Once she has floored them though she does seem to want to play...with most of them at least. Just not running games...they worry her.
Perhaps it is bad manners and a lack of socialisation too...which is hopeful to be honest rather than it being entirely fear of punishment based.


When she came to us she had pretty much shut down and she didn't want to 'think' if you like. There is also the hair on her neck issue and the skin, which despite what Dawn says, I think is as a result of a shock collar...there were 2 distinct spots where the hari was different and it would have been where the contacts were.

I am happy to go with the poorly socialised bad mannered missus idea though as well (with a high prey drive to boot) as I can attempt different things to sort that I think.