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13-12-2008, 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
Makes you wonder , doesn`t it, that the BBC have just added Rottis to their list of exclusion of coverage , simple through a warped view of the breed... nothing to do with the PPD programme

I take my hat off to the KC for standing up to the BBC and not being dictated to , since when have the BBC been the dog police....
Im just starting to get tingles of anger, I can imagine how bloody livid I will be if it has a whiff of anything to do with the so called aggression within the breed.... I can tell you this much those rotties that killed children did not come from good breeders, but even more so THEY WERE NOT KEPT AS PETS, they were YARD DOGS THERE TO GUARD... never socialised or seen anything.....

the blood pressures starting to go up slowly.......
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13-12-2008, 10:13 AM
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I am quite happy that the BBC has pulled out and will be utterly disappointed if another TV company were to step in.

It is about time the Kennel Club were put in their place and told that they can not keep on causing pain and discomfort to the many dogs bred to their ridiculous breed standards.

Good on the BBC. If I had my way the Kennel club and all it's higher management would be taken to court for cruelty to animals and, if there were any justice, locked up.

Starving the the KC of commercial income may make some people within the organisation see some sense and make them get their finger out and do something instead of just bleating that they are GOING to do something but never actually doing it.

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I see it as a good thing for dogs too.

I have no interest in showing and I never watch crufts. My only interest is in pet dogs.

Until the recent TV show about the KC my view was that if you want a healthy, happy pet dog you go to a KC registered breeder. I trusted them completely.

Now that TV show can easily get written off as scaremongering. But when big organisations pull out of Crufts it reinforces the message and keeps it fresh in my mind.

I think the breeders that I got my dogs from were very good - but that was down to luck (and I chose a very healthy breed) ! In future I would vet them very carefully, investigate the pedigrees of the dogs I was interested in and ask a LOT of questions about health, screening, temprement etc.

Most dogs that are bred by show people end up as expensive family pets. I think that thanks to organisations like the BBC breeders will be forced to start putting the wishes of their paying customers first by placing health, temprement and suitability as a pet over success in the show ring. Those that don't will find they won't be able to sell the puppies that aren't fit for the show ring.

In fact, I'd like to see a new type of breeder - people who's ONLY goal is to develop happy, healthy pets with fantastic temprements. The role of todays dog is for the most part to be a pet. Not a working animial. Not a show animal. So why not breed pets? The things that I find appealing in a dog seem to be MILES appart from what show people like so as a paying customer I'd much rather buy from someone that was breeding what I wanted.

So rather than putting pressure on the KC, I think the action of the BBC, Dogs Trust etc, etc will put pressure directly on the breeders. Simply because of the impact on public opinion and the laws of supply and demand.
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13-12-2008, 10:23 AM
I find it disgusting the way the media still perceive rotties... I also have never met an aggressive one yet, all the ones I have seen have been dopes!!!
I am glad the BBC have pulled out in a way, as I am fed up with the presenting, my viewing pleasure is the dogs, all dogs not just selected few.... they hardly show my beloved setters either...
And tbh if you are not happy with the way a certain breed is going, go to a breeder who does health test, who does breed to the way you like.... or swallow deeply and don't buy one!
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13-12-2008, 10:44 AM
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Are your Beagles bred by a "pet"breeder ?

Did you check that their parents were hip scored & eye tested(for MRD) ?

If they weren't health tested why did you not look for another breeder who does ?

Were you not aware that Beagles have these health conditions ?
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13-12-2008, 10:46 AM
Originally Posted by Shona View Post
Im just starting to get tingles of anger, I can imagine how bloody livid I will be if it has a whiff of anything to do with the so called aggression within the breed.... I can tell you this much those rotties that killed children did not come from good breeders, but even more so THEY WERE NOT KEPT AS PETS, they were YARD DOGS THERE TO GUARD... never socialised or seen anything.....

the blood pressures starting to go up slowly.......
I bet it is... you know Shona...I have said it for yrs... if you investigated the background of ALL these dogs that get in the news for aggression, you would find the type of breeder they came from , one you would not touch with a barge pole...
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13-12-2008, 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Shona View Post
Im just starting to get tingles of anger, I can imagine how bloody livid I will be if it has a whiff of anything to do with the so called aggression within the breed.... I can tell you this much those rotties that killed children did not come from good breeders, but even more so THEY WERE NOT KEPT AS PETS, they were YARD DOGS THERE TO GUARD... never socialised or seen anything.....

the blood pressures starting to go up slowly.......
Keep calm, but if it is to do with aggression, Ill be joining you!!!!!
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13-12-2008, 11:11 AM
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Keep calm, but if it is to do with aggression, Ill be joining you!!!!!
I just really cant see any other reason for it, on the whole rotties are doing not to bad health wise.... but your right no point in jumping to conclusions, I just wish the bbc would share there concerns with us rottie owners over health if there is something they know that we dont ...
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13-12-2008, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scarter View Post
I see it as a good thing for dogs too.

I have no interest in showing and I never watch crufts. My only interest is in pet dogs.
And thats fine, but many many people are interested in showing, does that make them bad owners.


Originally Posted by scarter View Post
Until the recent TV show about the KC my view was that if you want a healthy, happy pet dog you go to a KC registered breeder. I trusted them completely.

Now that TV show can easily get written off as scaremongering. But when big organisations pull out of Crufts it reinforces the message and keeps it fresh in my mind.
So please enlighten us where you would go for a pedigree pup, if not one KC registered.

Originally Posted by scarter;1552933I
think the breeders that I got my dogs from were very good - but that was down to luck (and I chose a very healthy breed) ! In future I would vet them very carefully, investigate the pedigrees of the dogs I was interested in and ask a LOT of questions about health, screening, temprement etc.
Did you not do that with the dogs you own now...

If the programme educated you to the right way to buy a pedigree pup, then it has done at least one thing right.


Originally Posted by scarter View Post
Most dogs that are bred by show people end up as expensive family pets. I think that thanks to organisations like the BBC breeders will be forced to start putting the wishes of their paying customers first by placing health, temprement and suitability as a pet over success in the show ring. Those that don't will find they won't be able to sell the puppies that aren't fit for the show ring.

What you have stated above is what responsible breeders in the showing world do already.... when breeding any breed there are 3 things that are all equally important... and that is health /temperament / and type...

When reputable breeders breed, their first priority is not the paying customer it is or should be to further your lines, improve the breed with quality dogs. that conform to standard... a breeder who is first and foremost thinking of the ££££`s and what the paying customer wants, is one I would run a mile from.


When you bought your Beagle, did you want a dog that looked like, had the temperament of a beagle or did that not interest you... if not, why go for a Beagle???



Originally Posted by scarter View Post
In fact, I'd like to see a new type of breeder - people who's ONLY goal is to develop happy, healthy pets with fantastic temprements.
Sorry that role has already been taken..

It goes under the name of responsible ethical breeders who adhere to breed standards, and club ethics, registering their dogs with the ONLY reputable organization we have... i.e the Kennel Club.



Originally Posted by scarter;[B
1552933]The role of todays dog is for the most part to be a pet. Not a working animial[/B]. Not a show animal. So why not breed pets? The things that I find appealing in a dog seem to be MILES appart from what show people like so as a paying customer I'd much rather buy from someone that was breeding what I wanted.
Your idea of the role of today's dogs are very blinkered...

Dogs are far from just pets, they fit many requirments and are owned by many for many different reasons...

THERAPHY DOGS/SHEEP DOGS/ POLICE DOGS/ SEACH AND RESCUE/ SNIFFER DOGS....the list is endless...

Are you saying that that they should not be used in such a manner, but just kept as pets....

And individual breeds will fit the individual requirements of work they are needed for... should we not take any of that into consideration when choosing /breeding a working dog for the purpose of work.


For instance, take the Newfie... they have thick coats, webbed feet, are big and smelly (only joking) .. but you as a buyer wants a Newfie with a smooth coat, becasue you dont like all that wet hair , should that breeder listen to your demand , simple so she can supply you with what you want???
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13-12-2008, 11:32 AM
Well said Jackbox think that really says it all.

Tried to give you a reppie but I have to spread it around first.

Sorry.
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13-12-2008, 11:42 AM
Excellent post Jackbox.
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