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Kristina
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12-07-2006, 03:59 PM
Ok well i have spoken to the organisers who are also the local District Canine Society and they have basically said the following.....

They have a license that makes them exempt from KC rules because it is a companion show not an open or champion show.

They are also happy that i can prove she is pedigree not a recent cross breed.

She also thoroughly checked the brand new version of the KC rules and regulations and could not find a single thing that would indicate that she cant compete in a companion show. She did state it would be a totally different matter if it were an open or champion show though.

They are more than happy for Vienna to enter both pedigree and novelty classes. She also said that some years ago before the nova scotia duck tolling retrievers were registered, they had also been allowed to enter in the pedigree class.

At the end of the day this is supposed to be a fun event to raise money for charity. Its not a serious competition and i really dont think us entering is 'cheating'. If anyone has a major problem with it on the day, even though the event organised have allowed her to enter, i will withdraw because i dont want to cause problems and at the end of the day she can just go in the novelty classes. I very very very much doubt she will win anything at all but its all good experience and socialisation for her.

I really hope there will be no more arguments about this. At the end of the day i live by the 'if you dont know, then ask' rule. I've asked you guys and there was a difference in what people believed. So i ask the people in charge of the event and i've been told its ok. So for this particular event it is ok to enter a Northern Inuit.
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12-07-2006, 03:59 PM
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Dogs don't have to be KC registered to enter Companion Dog Shows.
No ones debating that...but the rules say the breed should be recognised by the KC.
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12-07-2006, 04:29 PM
Just because organisers of certain events close their eyes to the rules they are supposed to be governed by in order to make as much money as possible doesn't make it right.
When I chose to buy another breed I did so knowing that I wanted to show and although there are other breeds I like some of them were discounted as they were inelligible for the ring.We make a discision about which dogs we own and if we want to do certain activities then we should buy a suitable breed.
Yes companion shows are fun...but they are also 'shows' and should be judges 'properly'.I rarely bother with them any more since find most of the judging ,shall we say 'dubious'.I once showed a non registered dog of mine in the fun classes...one of which was best condition.The class was won by a little boy with a collie cross who was matted and dirty ..the discust from around the ring was obvious!
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12-07-2006, 05:22 PM
Well Archer, thats the difference between the Novelty classes and the breed classes.

I always understood that non-kc recognised breeds could not enter Open or Champ shows (obviously) but that doesn't stop them entering Companion dog shows where the only criteria for the breed classes is that they are a pedigree - which a Northern Inuit is.

I think I read somewhere that 11 generations is sufficient - we go back between 14 and 20 generations and can trace the lines of every single dog.
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12-07-2006, 05:52 PM
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I always understood that non-kc recognised breeds could not enter Open or Champ shows (obviously) but that doesn't stop them entering Companion dog shows where the only criteria for the breed classes is that they are a pedigree - which a Northern Inuit is.
No the other criteria is that they need to a breed recognised by the KC...which the NI is not.Where do you get your definaition of a pedigree? If I crossed 11 generations of pedigree dogs of different breeds each time does thet then make it a new breed???Just because it has a traceable lieage doesn't make it a recgnised breed
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12-07-2006, 05:58 PM
You know very well that I meant we can trace the lineage back through the generations and NI is always bred to NI.

Anyway, it seems that all organisers of Companion Dog Shows are happy to have NI there and to judge them as a breed in their own right. I have found that most judges are very interested in the breed and are keen to learn more.

Seems like the only opposition is on here. I for one will continue to show and win at companion dog shows.

Incidentally, I just heard that another NI I bred has won BPIS at a Companion dog show over the weekend. so those judges are seeing something they like in our dogs.
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12-07-2006, 06:18 PM
GUYS!!!!!!!

I appreciate everyone giving my the benefit of their knowledge and opinions but i did NOT want this thread to become an issue about NI and the KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I asked if she could compete and what Odd Brace meant. Because of the mixed replies i asked the organisers of this CHARITY event. They have said yes so that is the end of it. All it means is that i can enjoy myself and Vienna can get more experience while raising more money for a very worth cause.

I would also like to say that in NO WAY did i get Vienna to specifically show her and im slightly offended over they way you said that. My understanding is that companion dog shows are for PETS. Not SHOW DOGS. Vienna is a pet not a trophy dog and this event is for CHARITY.

Now i really think this should be the end of the subject please. Thank you all again for your replies
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12-07-2006, 07:36 PM
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I would also like to say that in NO WAY did i get Vienna to specifically show her and im slightly offended over they way you said that.
Why is that offensive? I purchased 3 of my boys specifically for the ring and yet they are the most loved pampered pooches you could meet.
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12-07-2006, 07:41 PM
All 7 of mine were bought for show but it doesn't stop them from flopping about the floor, pushing me off the settee, charging though the woods, slopping slobber all over me and all the other things pets do, cos you know what............ they are pets and there's nothing offensive about being a showdog.

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12-07-2006, 08:27 PM
ok just add my say again,the northern inuit might not be kc registerd , but i have rang the kennel club on four seperate occations and on every occation the kennel club new what breed i was talking about and was able to help and advice me.so in my opinion they may not yet be kc registerd but the kc know what thay are and are able to help and advice on the breed
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