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08-07-2010, 11:56 PM
I can't see why people have a problem with any dog entering a fun show. I have a none pedigree dog that is trained in ringcraft and has won BIS at many agricultural shows. She is a fabulous show dog just unfortunately lacks being a breed. Despite this we have both enjoyed ringcraft training and have never found her lack of pedigree stopping us from training.

I also have a show line pedigree pup and if he enjoys showing when he grows up then I hope to do kc shows with him. I really cannot see why this would affect him entering fastest sausage eater or waggiest tail if that is what we chose to do.

I have judged at fun shows and have always given out the prizes to the dogs that I think are most deserving and fitting the class they are entered in, no matter what the breed. Of course everyone starts somewhere, but to me the dog and handler who are well turned out and have made an effort are much more deserving than some I have seen who are an absolute discrace.
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09-07-2010, 07:00 AM
Originally Posted by weevle21 View Post
It's unfair that these people can have their own classes and then enter with us too and then use rosettes for 'waggiest tail' or 'fastest bonio eater' in order to gain a higher price on their pedigree pups.
What do you think?
What rubbish - even puppies from top dogs cost no more than puppies from any other well bred,health tested dog.

The shows are for fun - why be so reverse elitist.

If a pedigree dog can eat a Bonio faster than yours - why should they not get the prize?

People go to these shows to have fun!!!! MOST KC reg dogs are not of show quality so just because someone has what looks like a nice dog, and the owner has a clue what to do ... why assume it is a show dog?? Many people enjoy doing the Summer Companion show circuit .... the KC regulate these shows so if you are anti KC then maybe don't attend?

How very strange that people want to remove the competition and then have a show .....says only one thing to me!
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09-07-2010, 07:51 AM
No I don't mean excluding pedigree dogs at all but what is upsetting the locals round here is the pedigree KC dogs that go up and down the county being deadly serious about their showing. They do complain when they don't win in the fun shows and pedigree ones and you can see people's faces sometimes when their 'pet' dogs are just lazing about the ring having fun and the serious people are making their dogs stand in show dog fashion and not interacting with other dog owners.
That's the thing this local show is trying to exclude as we have seen people walk away and not enter after watching these people.
I don't mind if we don't win as it is just a bit of fun but sometimes these people do take the fun out of it by making it so serious.
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09-07-2010, 08:03 AM
What i am trying to say is explained better by 'kerryowner' 'tillytheterrier', 'westie_N' and 'loki'smum'
I used the waggiest tail as an example and of course any dog should enter that, what i am meaning more is the likes of best condition and prettiest bitch/hansome dog. Obvious show dogs who's owners prance around the ring and make everyone else feel really uncomfortable and like idiots stodd there with their untrained dogs having a laugh.
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09-07-2010, 08:29 AM
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... as we have seen people walk away and not enter after watching these people.
I don't mind if we don't win as it is just a bit of fun but sometimes these people do take the fun out of it by making it so serious.
Yes, this is what happened at the show I went to. BUT it was largely because the Judge was a `proper` judge, and using KC standards to judge `prettiest bitch`. most handsone dog` etc. So all the hopeful kids with their scruffy mutts and the old dear with her tubby Oldie were dismissed out of hand. And very obviously so - a contemptuous glance wilted the lot of them. And he actually checked my dogs testicles (fruitlessly - he was neutered) for `most handsome dog.
It`s better when they have non-professional judges, imo.
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09-07-2010, 08:32 AM
I can't believe some of the nonsense I am reading in this thread.

I show my dogs and I go up and down the country showing my dogs if I can at KC Champ shows.

I spend hours getting my dogs ready for these shows.

Now if I enter a fun show it would be because I support the organisations by paying my money and entering in the prettiest bitch or the dog who looks more like their owner.

Believe me I don't spend anytime other than a quick brush if needed when I go to a fun show and no training other than they are used to being in a place with lots of other dogs and standing still when required will make them look more like me or make their tails wag faster.

There often is a reverse snobbery at these places with people with rescues or none pedigree not talking to you because only they did the right this in getting a rescue.

I can not imagine and successful KC show person having the time to go up and down the country to enter fun dog shows because this is the time that Champ shows are every week end and sometimes in the week as well. So don't have time for a fun unless it is for a something I strongly believe in.
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09-07-2010, 08:44 AM
I've shown at many fun shows over the years, usually with a puppy to get it used to socialising and being gone over by a judge, just because mine were KC registered didn't give them the edge, many judges ignored us because we knew what we were doing, they would give the prizes to kiddies who couldn't handle their dogs or a specimen that was so unlike the breed you had to do a double take....but what does it matter? The judge is there to judge to his/her eye and if they like a certain dog then why shouldn't it be placed over others that don't appeal to them, there is no right or wrong when judging at these shows, you do what you want to do if you are the judge.

After all, these shows are all about giving to charity and having fun with your dog, win or lose...we learn about taking the best dog home at the open/champ shows...if some of the fun showers remembered that they maybe wouldn't get so upset...it's not like you win a years supply of dog food or anything, usually a lovely rosette and a gift for your dog, a little something that makes a lovely day out that bit nicer.

Henry hasn't been shown yet, is KC registered and, hopefully, will do well in the ring...if there was a fun show being organised nearby I would jump at the chance to take him both for practice and socialisation.

I would just mention that if I my dog(s) have had enough by the end of the classes I don't bother taking them into the novelty classes, even though I have paid my entry. I also wouldn't take them into the novelty ones if they won their classes in the breed ones.

I would be highly suprised if I saw puppies advertised along with a note mentioning the parents winning fun shows...it just isn't the done thing and even if it were..why would people pay more money for a puppy just because of that?

I think if certain people start discriminating then it shows that all they are bothered about is winning...no concern that the charity may be missing out by their attitude!
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09-07-2010, 09:04 AM
I would be highly suprised if I saw puppies advertised along with a note mentioning the parents winning fun shows...it just isn't the done thing and even if it were..why would people pay more money for a puppy just because of that?



Yes but a lot of companion shows have the same rosettes for the pedigree classes as the fun classes so you wouldn't know a rosette was for 'best six legs' rather than best sporting dog.

Anyway, yes its all for the charities but people don't realise they are taking the fun out of it for the others who have the scruffy mongrels and dogs that don't stand to attention and make these people feel uncomfortable like they don't belong even though its a fun show.
It's not about being snobby about not winning, that's not the point, it's that people with 'pets' are put off thinking its more serious than it is
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09-07-2010, 09:12 AM
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Doesn't make any difference to us, Woody is KC registered, but not breed standard!

We entered Woody in one once and he came away with 5th in waggiest tale. I think we were robbed ;o)
A springer spaniel 5th in waggiest tail, what on earth could have a waggier tail!
Think the comment on judging on an amateur basis was fair though, fun shows are normally to raise money for a worthy cause, be it a charity or a new roof for a local church and are meant to be fun for handlers and dogs. If the judge is marking by kc standards then the people who have entered for the hell of it with their rescues etc are obviously not going to make the grade, fun shows must be handy for getting a dog and handler used to the experience though so banning kc registerd pedigrees seems unfair.
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09-07-2010, 09:19 AM
I don't even know how they are going to do it...but when they were handing out the leaflets they said checked if ours was pedigree cause he wasn't sure and when we said no he said 'oh thats alright because we're not allowing show dogs'.
No idea how they will manage it but maybe it will be more like turning away the ones who come with a car full of show dogs and pull out their grooming tables etc



Can't believe a spaniel getting 5th in waggiest tail! They win it hands down every time, i'm sure if they had no weight to them they'd take off!
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