see Talassie answered what I was saying same time...

Yes, I suppose there are many ways to skin a cat Noth my dog socialisation class and my dog trainer have advised to remove him from any situation he is uncomfortable with. My dog trainers mantra is "if in doubt, get him out". Give Cain no further reason to feel scared, do not allow him to react and rehearse his reactive behaviour and to make him feel that he doesn't have to control the situation, but that he can trust me to deal with it.

It course by asking for sit/stay would also accomplish the dog letting us control for them as they turn to us for instruction. I think both methods work, in different situations. I will continue to work on his ignoring/focus work at a distance he can deal with. But once a dog is on top of him, I know he can't cope and it would be unfair of me to expect him to listen to me once that threadhold is crossed, so at that point all I can really do is walk away. So a combination of both methods I think

I don't think it's that things have changed but that different methods work for different dogs Can't speak for Amanda but Cain is quite similar to Casper at times and I know Casper doesn't do well just sitting there. Breaking sight helps - we've had a reaction start in a petshop and simply going around the corner of an aisle has stopped things and allowed him to calm down even though he can smell/hear the dog, sight seems to be the trigger and he ends up eyeballing the dog (hence we're trying to nail the watch me). If he reacts out in an open space, the best thing for us is to just walk away and if that's what works for Casper then that's what I'll do. Maybe once we start some one to one sessions with the local trainer we could achieve the sit thing but right now I know it would just wind Casper up more. So I don't think either method is right/wrong, just whatever works for the dogs involved

sounds like a plan, he is doing well from what you have said.....well done xxxxxx

[QUOTE=krlyr;2247837]I don't think it's that things have changed but that different methods work for different dogs Can't speak for Amanda but Cain is quite similar to Casper at times and I know Casper doesn't do well just sitting there. Breaking sight helps - we've had a reaction start in a petshop and simply going around the corner of an aisle has stopped things and allowed him to calm down even though he can smell/hear the dog, sight seems to be the trigger and he ends up eyeballing the dog (hence we're trying to nail the watch me). If he reacts out in an open space, the best thing for us is to just walk away and if that's what works for Casper then that's what I'll do. Maybe once we start some one to one sessions with the local trainer we could achieve the sit thing but right now I know it would just wind Casper up more. So I don't think either method is right/wrong, just whatever works for the dogs involved [/QUOTE]

as you say whatever works for you.

I wasn't nit picking I was actually asking Moons Mum what she had been instructed.

This is why I refuse to walk Rupert in the day time unless it's absolutely unavoidable. Too many people who don't feel it's necessary to control their dog and who think that just because theirs is friendly mine isn't going to bite it. At least I assume that's what they think because all I get in return to my calling out that mine bites is "oh don't worry, s/he's friendly!"

I understand that the odd dog gets loose but most people don't even try to stop their dog approaching mine. And I walk on the streets so there is absolutely no excuse for their dog not being on leash in the first place!

My dog isn't DA but is kept on lead due to poor recall and can certainly sympathise over the numpties that that think after the 100th time of calling there dog it will suddenly decide to listen so they can save using their legs. Thankfully most times the other dog is at least friendly, but often seem to lack doggy manners so is still being a pest.

I don't blame you for being annoyed, and a rant does the world of good at times I think. I too don't understand why people won't move themselves and collect their dog if it won't come back. I've watched them in the park, one young large labrador trying to hump an old submissive scared dog, the owner calling him back but the dog ignored him.

If it was me I would have been running towards Lana to pull her off, instead the owner strolled over soooo slowly, I was inclined to kick his butt for him to make him move quicker and neither of them were my dogs.

Yes, they all come out of the woodwork on nice days dont they? Even more imbeciles to deal with than normal. I cant help but wonder where all these people hide themselves and their kids/dogs during the colder months.

I picked a walk today where the dogs could enjoy a swim and run round playing. This is a place the dogs love, even Jed joins in with some antics. Anyway, this place is normally virtually deserted but today there were people and dogs everywhere. We were down by the water searching for a lost toy in the long grass. I saw some people approaching with a Rottie on lead and with a headcollar. I therefore just instructed my dogs to stay with me and engrossed them in looking for the toy, thinking we'd be ok. What did these people do? Let the rottie off the lead to come and play! I decided against grabbing Flynn's collar because that just makes him react anyway and so far he was greeting the other dog well. Anyway, it wouldnt leave him alone (Flynn tends to attract unwanted male attention which is why I think he behaves aggressively anyway) so he turned on it. Fortunately the Rottie backed off and I removed Flynn but these people walked off looking astounded. I hope that teaches them that not all dogs want to play but I suspect it wont. Then we encountered a Beagle who came nosying over but on that occassion I did pre-empt Flynn's reaction.

I've bought a bright orange collar with the words "NO DOGS" emblazoned on it but one ladies reaction shows how dumb people can be. We were at gundog training classes and Flynn had this collar on. A lady was stroking him and I overheard her musing to herself out loud "No dogs? What does no dogs mean?" This lady owns Vizslak so, being a doggy person, should know what it means...

I truly dont think there is anything we can do that clearly sends the message out to other dog owners that we do not want their hounds attention because, I realised long ago, that humans are actually very, very stupid.

How about a fluorescent vest that says DOG CARRIES INFECTIOUS DISEASE KEEP YOUR DISTANCE!

Either you or the dog could wear it but make sure it's fluorescent and written in large letters!Everyone knows that while all illiterate people are not numpties,all numpties are illiterate!

Oh yes,and when you get abused for walking your diseased dog in public you can say either:"He has so little time left to him I want him to enjoy it"
Or:"It's a disease that can only be passed by close body contact"