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16-07-2008, 04:54 PM
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i think miners in the uk and their families may see it differently ......................persoanlly i don;t really care state funerals could have been sold if she they had thought of that one might have made a few BOB or was that British gas
Well they only had themselves to blame because the National Union of Mineworkers wouldn't accept that it was not worth this government keeping open any unprofitable mines, plus most of the mines required increased mechanisation to increase their profitability.
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16-07-2008, 05:01 PM
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only peoples spirits
as did the trade unions break the countries spirit before her.

But remember privatisation was a concept around before Mrs T and adopted since a la Mr Blair and co. - the socialists who campaigned so vehemently against it at the time.
It not only raised money for the treasury coffers, it also allowed a lot of ordinary people on the street to invest money differently to the traditional means of dumping money in the bank. Those that cashed their chips would have benfitted from the appreciation in their shares as much as any professional investors as they often were the best performing companies in the FTSE.
Privatisation also offered freedom of choice and allowed companies to be set up in direct competition in some of the instances and companies like vodafone etc arose from the privatisations that happened in the eighties.
I do think there isnt enough competition in the water companies at the moment for customers to get a good service, but the faults that exist under them now would likely still exist under a state run service and joe publics level of redress would still be the same.
What miners in the UK? - the ones who wanted to carry on working in the profitable mines ? - the ones that wanted to carry on working to get State benefits, or the ones that supported the illegal NUM unballoted strikes or its refusal to pay its fines from its cash rich coffers thus subjecting themselves to handouts while idiots like Scargill beat the drum for the comfort of his union leader status and the priveledges it bought?
Maybe the 'scab' or cabbie who lost their lives for going about their day work will have a different memory of some of their minors.
Was the alternative to keep operating unprofitable mines indefinately - where do you draw the line if you run a country like that?
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16-07-2008, 05:17 PM
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Well they only had themselves to blame because the National Union of Mineworkers wouldn't accept that it was not worth this government keeping open any unprofitable mines, plus most of the mines required increased mechanisation to increase their profitability.
i guess it depends on where you lived at the time and how wealthy you were i can remember the council house sale thats about it really
i don't have any good Thatcher memories so my answer is NO and thats my opinion
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16-07-2008, 05:24 PM
Yes! she was a state hero, and should go down as one of the world's greatest leaders ever. She broke the unions ( best thing that ever happened ) and had bigger testicles than any male politician in her cabinet, or the opposition.

Should be up in Trafalgar Square with Nelson, and there should be a National Holiday called "Maggie Day"

This is what my oh said
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16-07-2008, 05:27 PM
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Yes! she was a state hero, and should go down as one of the world's greatest leaders ever. She broke the unions ( best thing that ever happened ) and had bigger testicles than any male politician in her cabinet, or the opposition.

Should be up in Trafalgar Square with Nelson, and there should be a National Holiday called "Maggie Day"

This is what my oh said
lol .tell N is it true about the testicles
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16-07-2008, 05:30 PM
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i guess it depends on where you lived at the time and how wealthy you were i can remember the council house sale thats about it really
i don't have any good Thatcher memories so my answer is NO and thats my opinion
well lets say you lived down south and were relatively poor and objected to what tax you did pay subsidising non profitable mines?

Do you think the divide between the haves and have nots were greater then or less than they are now ? How sustainable will the hundreds of thousands of makeshift civil service jobs be under this present government should the country teeter and stumble into a recession? They may last as a flailing labour cant afford to dump the votes it bought by creating the jobs in the first place - but they will need to go afterwards.

Has this socialist government not betrayed people by pension raids, stealth taxes and running roughshod over the country? Much of this was done in times of unpresidented national and global prosperity by socialists who thought they knew better how to spend our money than we do- not a country re-dawning after years of union induced bankruptcy on Mrs T's watch which needed drastic action and strong and sometimes unpopular decisions?

She handed the poor and working classes of society the best gilt edged opportunity to prosper by giving them the one thing they never had before - the opportunity to be kings of their own castle - a move as revolutionary and barrier reducing as anything before or since.

A great woman with a bigger jonson than any other bloke in modern history
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16-07-2008, 05:33 PM
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well lets say you lived down south and were relatively poor and objected to what tax you did pay subsidising non profitable mines?

Do you think the divide between the haves and have nots were greater then or less than they are now ? How sustainable will the hundreds of thousands of makeshift civil service jobs be under this present government should the country teeter and stumble into a recession? They may last as a flailing labour cant afford to dump the votes it bought by creating the jobs in the first place - but they will need to go afterwards.

Has this socialist government not betrayed people by pension raids, stealth taxes and running roughshod over the country? Much of this was done in times of unpresidented national and global prosperity by socialists who thought they knew better how to spend our money than we do- not a country re-dawning after years of union induced bankruptcy on Mrs T's watch which needed drastic action and strong and sometimes unpopular decisions?

She handed the poor and working classes of society the best gilt edged opportunity to prosper by giving them the one thing they never had before - the opportunity to be kings of their own castle - a move as revolutionary and barrier reducing as anything before or since.

A great woman with a bigger jonson than any other bloke in modern history

sorry its a bit mumbo jumbo to me ...........i was a kid
its just memories thats all
we did live down south and we were not well off but i remember my dad saying its destroyed communities
wasn;t there high unemployment back then like millions
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16-07-2008, 05:34 PM
Jonson? ??
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16-07-2008, 05:36 PM
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Jonson? ??
yeah hampton, you know - a mans meat an two veg.....( sorry i know youre on a diet )
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16-07-2008, 05:38 PM
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yeah hampton, you know - a mans meat an two veg.....( sorry i know youre on a diet )
ok perhaps i need to get out more
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