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13-01-2010, 06:32 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn 
Thats a shame, you would be amazed how many people who say similar just because they" think" their "rescue" has been abused.
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13-01-2010, 06:52 PM
No, kira doesnt get offlead time to run around like a headless chicken, no matter how happy it would make her, simply because so far i havent found anywhere that im 100% happy with to let her off (she has been let off in enclosed areas twice, but in one area she almost got under the fence, and in the other she could see rabbits in the bushes outside the area, and i worried the whole time that she was gunna jump the fence, so we werent in there long)
But instead of doing that, I run her in harness, i give her a job, a purpose, when we are finished she has a sense of achievement (as well as a nice bit of liver lol), and so do I, i feel proud that i can give that to my dog, many people dont.
Kira's a high energy breed, but her breed is also considered as one of the more intelligent (apparently lol), so a run around in the field isnt going to fulfil her, she needs a lot of mental stimulation as well as physical, which she gets from working.
If i had a border collie, i cant honestly say i would work them, as in herding, tho i would look into it. But yes, it would probably go offlead, as it wouldnt have the same drives as kira. I would love a border collie one day, but i want another sibe 1st lol
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13-01-2010, 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Loki's mum
good post! My dogs also NEED to run. If they dont run and play together they aren't hyper but they aren't happy either. And yes I have done lead walks only when Rio was in season. And it was a nightmare. I also allow my dogs to play rough together. They only do it with each other, never even with the pup or my Mum's dog. Outside they only have eyes for each other. There is only so much training they will do on walks, because as flock guardians they are independent and don't want to play with toys etc. They are not high energy dogs by any stretch of the imagination, but all the EMDs I have met that never get off lead are antisocial with other dogs. That may be a chicken and egg situation tbh, BUT a guarding breed needs ongoing socialisation every day throughout it's life, and this is best done offlead IMO. When Loki was lame I had to keep him on lead, and I increased the games and training I did with him. He wasn't happy though because being on a lead went against what he was, ie a hound. Some dogs may be perfectly happy with on lead exercise but some are not. And many times it boils down to owners not being bothered to make an effort to train recall. There is a jrt on our street that is only walked on a short lead round the streets. He has gone from being an enthusiastic puppy to a very frustrated dog aggressive terrier. Easily avoided if the owner recignised her dog's needs IMO.
, I don't really know about gun dogs, which is what a lot of this thread is about now, and I only know a little bit about terriers, and they too have been bred for a long time to do something, and many of these dogs, I would say to be a more happy and well balanced dogs have to have the oppurtunity to do the behaviours that are natural to them, and many of these can not be carried out on a lead, because for one, I am not going to be running at God knows what speed after a passing small furry, and defiantly one that might not be there, and I'm also not going to be running through hedges either, but its something that my dogs do regulary, and appear to need to do to be more happy dogs.
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13-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Thats a shame, you would be amazed how many people who say similar just because they" think" their "rescue" has been abused.
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13-01-2010, 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Hali
I haven't picked up on the sex thing because I didn't think it was relevent. Whilst a small number of entire males may think of sex frequently and would do it given the chance, bitches would only be interested for a few days during their season and neutered dogs are rarely interested at all. I also understand (though I've had no direct experience) that stud dogs aren't even interested unless the bitch is at the correct point in her season.
So I wouldn't say it was a strong constant desire in most pet dogs and would certainly not class it as a need.
I would never have been able to walk them with your girls if they couldnt behave,
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13-01-2010, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Thats a shame, you would be amazed how many people who say similar just because they" think" their "rescue" has been abused.
You seem very dismissive of Rambles description of Tango.
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13-01-2010, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by chaz
Your dogs sound like mine, although very different types lol, I'm wondering whether its because these are old breeds (I know that mine are not Grey's, but they both contain a lot of them in their blood, and one of them the other breed is Saluki) who have been bred for a very long time to do a job, to be the way they are, mine are bred to run and hunt, and that is what they do, and your breed is bred for another reason, and guess what, it still affects them
, I don't really know about gun dogs, which is what a lot of this thread is about now, and I only know a little bit about terriers, and they too have been bred for a long time to do something, and many of these dogs, I would say to be a more happy and well balanced dogs have to have the oppurtunity to do the behaviours that are natural to them, and many of these can not be carried out on a lead, because for one, I am not going to be running at God knows what speed after a passing small furry, and defiantly one that might not be there, and I'm also not going to be running through hedges either, but its something that my dogs do regulary, and appear to need to do to be more happy dogs.
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13-01-2010, 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
Interesting you brought up Salukis.....they are a breed taht it is recommended do not have off lead exercise unless you are ina completely secure area....
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13-01-2010, 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by chaz
She would go mad if I followed that as there is no real complety secure area round where I live, but they get walked across the span of two farms, and between two villages, the farms are mostly arable, but there is also Deer farmed at one of the farms, and they go across the two of them, they use to have to be muzzled, but they don't have to be now, although now shes starting to mature, she still lives for her running time, and I couldn't imagine not giving it to her.
My friend (who has a rescue Saluki bitch, which is how I got to knowing more about them) was going to take on another rescue and was turned down dure to the fact she lived in a rural area and there was nowhere secure nearby she could allow the dog to run.
Despite ths fact she had trained hers, who was horrific and had been used as a coursing dog, to stay with her.
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13-01-2010, 07:54 PM
Her recall is good, except occasionally when she will just stop and look at you as if to say "are you talking to me?" she will then put her nose in the air and walk very slowly behind you but isn't that what Salukis do?
I would hate to have a dog that I wasn't confident enough with to let off lead.
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