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08-02-2006, 06:56 AM
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08-02-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally Posted by Archer
FBI would rather have A WELL BRED DOG from REPUTABLE BREEDER who has done thier RESEARCH and has had all HEALTH TESTS completed on both sire and dam .
I have known pedigrres live for many many years and mongrels die very young...the only certaintly is that if we buy from HEALTH TESTED parents we are reducing the risk of the dog we buy havomg genetic problems.
Let me say this...If a person has a bitch and decides to take a litter from her she has 3 choices....
1/complete health tests and if results are good enough research pedigrees and find a suitable dog to produce high quality pups
2/produce pedigrees using the dog next door...just cos its the same breed
3/produce a 'designer' x breed.
Now if that bitch has HD or a genetic eye disorder then litter 1 will not happen as a responsible breeder will not breed if there is a risk of passing on problems.
However litters 2 and 3 would happen since the health tests have not been done and the owner is onlivious to the problem.This does not mean that the problem will not be inherited by the pups....wether mated to dog 1/ or 2/
What we're trying to say is that the only way to produce pups responsibly is to use health tested parents of impeccible temperaments.I'm afraid the kind of people who deliberately produce x breeds in order to line their pockets very very rarely care about the health or future of the resulting pups.
I would also like to say that a visit to the vet is not 'health tests' as many of these money grabbers try to tell you.
Out of interest FB at £400 your husky was very cheap.Is he registered with the KC and were the parents health tested since you seem to infer he has health problems.
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[I]Also most pedigree's are very badly inbreed leading them to have and suffer from health problems more often then a cross[/I]
Digressing i know, but my westie cross dandie dinmont bitch was bred from HEALTH TESTED parents, on both sides. Her breeder (R.I.P) was a very REPUTABLE breeder and produced very good dogs, that were very biddable too do a hard days work or curl up on the sofa with you.
I think its a sweeping generalisation to say that anyone has bred litters of X's is irresponsible, as it is clear that not all are!
The same goes for non KC registered breeds i.e the JRT, Patterdale etc both types of terriers which aren't KC registered yet are still bred, will this be another generalisation that anyone who breeds a non KC registered dog, or a non kc recognised breed aswell as crossbreeding is irresponsible too?
If people who breed cross breeds are so irresponsible, why then with 'Florrie's' breeder, did she have names down on pups either prior too their birth or when they were very young? And as i brought a first cross pup off her, does this make me an irresponsible owner then?
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08-02-2006, 03:17 PM
my cross boy was from two pedigree dogs that were both health tested ready for breeding (not together tho) but the male escaped next door and mated with the female. thats not irresponsible, its just unfortunate! and theres a lot of pedigrees in rescues to where the breeders are not always responsible enough with finding the right owners or offering to take dogs back.
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08-02-2006, 03:40 PM
Earlier in this thread Shadowboxer pointed out the topic has frequently been discussed on Dogweb and recently too.
Everyone has their own opinion on this topic and I think we should agree to differ where others do not share our opinions
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08-02-2006, 04:38 PM
I was on a site yesterday ...found many litters of sibe/mal,gsd/sibe,gsd/mal litters...they can't all(if any) be accidents from health tested parents.
I saw an advert last year...someone was advertising that they wanted a elkhound stud to use on their bitch.I phoned in the hope of pointing them back to their dogs breeder for good advice.It turned out that the dog had come from the local 'puppy supermarket'.I told her about health tests etc.She then said ''in that case I'll use the husly puppy I just brought in a on her next season...they'll make pretty puppies"
.This is the kind of practice we need to stop supporting 
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Originally Posted by Luke
Digressing i know, but my westie cross dandie dinmont bitch was bred from HEALTH TESTED parents, on both sides. Her breeder (R.I.P) was a very REPUTABLE breeder and produced very good dogs, that were very biddable too do a hard days work or curl up on the sofa with you.I think its a sweeping generalisation to say that anyone has bred litters of X's is irresponsible, as it is clear that not all are!
The same goes for non KC registered breeds i.e the JRT, Patterdale etc both types of terriers which aren't KC registered yet are still bred, will this be another generalisation that anyone who breeds a non KC registered dog, or a non kc recognised breed aswell as crossbreeding is irresponsible too?
If people who breed cross breeds are so irresponsible, why then with 'Florrie's' breeder, did she have names down on pups either prior too their birth or when they were very young? And as i brought a first cross pup off her, does this make me an irresponsible owner then?
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18-02-2006, 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by micki
Thordell i take great offence at u calling the Northern inuit a cross breed.. It is not thank u very much... not that there is anything wrong with cross breeds. one of my dogs is a ROTTIE X NEO MASTIFF. is he wrong? he's my best buddy..
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