I am not sure which stats you specifically want information on, but I did a project as part of a course and I chose to do one on

The use of aversives by gundog trainers.

A summary of my findings were based on:

Photographs
Interviews with gundog trainers, owners, judges, and KC personnel.
Attendance at Pointer and Setter Field Trials

Hopet that answers your question.

I am so glad you have appointed yourself moral arbiter of the forum.

As I always say, the comments one makes about others reveals more about the outlook on life in general of the poster (as per Kelly's theory of personal constructs)

As many of your posts on this forum have.

If you wish to imply/accuse me of dishonesty there is nothing I can do about that.

I am actually famous for my integrity in both my personal and business life.

It appears that both Abbie and I were talking at cross purposes, she was referring to one seminar held in Ireland, I was referrin to another.

Of course if you wish to try and besmirch my character, give it your best shot, the opinions of one <snip> are not going to sway those of the more intelligent and informed.

Having in uninformed (and biased opinion) is not going to harm my reputation any.

But those who spend their lives trying to deceive others, often spend an almost equal amount of time accusing others of the same qualities they themselves possess.

These things always come back to haunt you in the end.

As I often say, the dog world is VERY VERY small

But your observations have triggered some amusement amongst some lurkers here, so we thank you for that Ramble.

There is a PPD club community in the UK, and there is a forum dedicated to that activity.

PPD DOES differ in some points from SPORTS such as French, Belgian, Mondio Ring; Working Trials PD stake, Schutzhund etc in terms of what is expected.

However, as Moobli has correctly pointed out that does not mean you cannot have a perfectly safe and well adjusted pet, safe with other animals and children.

It is like anything, if you have the right genetic material and the correct socialisation and training, you can do anything you like.

IME this subject is akin to the majority of others which attract the "professionally outraged" those who raise objections to it have never had prolonged exposure to it.

One does not benchmark the entire experience.

IT is a bit like saying "never teach your dog to scale as it will escape from the garden"

And all the other ridiculous uninformed comments that are made which have no relevance in society.

If people have such feelings that answer is simple, do not participate in that activity.

I think people who take part in (insert any activity you care to think of) are stupid.

Is that statement valid? Of course not.

Perhaps a bit of misinterpretation? If a trainer did the same seminar (as in, used the same speeches, did the same examples, etc.) in different venues, I might say that I'd been to the same "XYZ seminar" as another member of the forum, even if they went to it in a different town/county/country. Like how comedians and singers give the tour a certain name and use it at different venues - e.g. Jimmy Carr has a tour out called the "Gagging Order" but has dates at London, Dartford, Cheltenham, Cambridge, etc. If a Dogsey member in Dartford mentioned seeing the Gagging Order show and hating it, I might have seen it in Woking and post to say "I saw that too and I disagree, I found it funny" - same tour, same content, different venue.

Please don't insult other members (the post has earned you an infraction in accordance with our rules).

With regards to the post that has been linked to, it does read as though you are referring to the event that is being discussed - whether that was your intention or not.

What shame you have to personally insult forum members then with that famous integrity of yours.

I totally agree with this, but the seminar I was talking about was not run by the same person as the one smokeybear said she attended.

Ok folks-I'm new here and guess me commenting could be the end of my even being on here BUT

I believe you have both made your points and made them clearly. The only thing I see coming from further discussion of THIS topic is a site war.If that were to happen it would diminish both of you and the site. I will make no more comment and sorry if I am butting in.

Are you threatening me SB?
Glad to amuse you, I wonder why you haven't explained your post properly though.

No I never blamed the dog, but it was witheld info and of course it made an unpredictable pet dog.