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27-01-2013, 07:18 AM
If, like me, you board your dog every year for the odd week or two, or travel abroad with her - what you think is irrelevant - if the boosters are not up to date you cannot travel with her and the boarding kennels will not accept her.

So it's a not a decision I have to make my mind up about.
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27-01-2013, 07:37 AM
My dog has her full booster shots every year. There are far too many dogs roaming around here who have not even had their puppy shots let alone boosters to risk her catching something from them.

She also has a yearly rabies shot which, in spite of being mandatory in this Country, far too many people do not bother about.
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27-01-2013, 09:58 AM
Both our dogs & all our cats - even the two cats that take bad reactions , have yearly boosters.
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27-01-2013, 10:20 AM
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Goodness, you put a lot of us to shame (well, me definitely) with your excellent posting in English. My ancestors were German, but I can barely speak a word.

I too think that the boosters are the way to go, especially if your dog socialises with others on a regular basis or goes where other dogs have been. It is better to be safe, and the negative reactions to the vaccinations are far far far fewer than the instances of dogs contracting life threatening diseases that might have been prevented.
hahaha... don't mind your German

believe me, if I wasn't born here and would live all my live here, I couldn't speak German at all!

I already heard, often enough, that German must be a very difficult language to learn
so it would just be, like me learning French

just impossible to me

sometimes by work, I come down to the french part of Switzerland, or also sometimes to France, but I just can't get any word of them

I just can say Bonjour and Au revoir and even there, I just had to look for the right spelling

so you may be saying, like I do that always about the French language:
French (German in your case) is not a Language!
French is a SICKNESS!!!
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27-01-2013, 12:01 PM
Originally Posted by Tangutica View Post
If, like me, you board your dog every year for the odd week or two, or travel abroad with her - what you think is irrelevant - if the boosters are not up to date you cannot travel with her and the boarding kennels will not accept her.

So it's a not a decision I have to make my mind up about.
nahhh here you are quite right, by work I often have to pass the border, so everything is fine and I always have her EU-vaccination card with me, with all neccessary entries

just still left of my worries, because I've to change the vet and I don't know him
I will ask him for, what he will give her
maybe even he got some new of those serum stuff, but not once checked the patient information leaflet properly himself
and is it then one, what's need a refreshing only after 3 years, but she would get it every year, maybe that could do harm to her and that's just what I want to avoid

well, but then, that also needs a extra entry in that EU passport of her and then, nobody can say anything against,
also not the customs abroad

already checked that
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27-01-2013, 01:13 PM
Over 30 years ago I went to a new vet to get my dog's boosters done, I had moved over 150 miles from home & so obviously had to change vets

The vet I went to was a sole practice & he had become very concerned over the number of adverse reactions he was seeing in dogs just after they had been vaccinated. In conjunction with the Glasgow Veterinary School he set up a scheme of titre testing before vaccination & after 5 years he was no longer seeing any post vaccination reactions.

I took up the offer of joining the scheme & ever since have never vaccinated before titre testing. I had one dog that never needed vaccinations & in the opinion of the Glasgow Professor it would have been dangerous to ever vaccinate him.

Leptospirosis vaccine available in the UK do not cover all the serovars of Lepto here in the UK & the immunity does not last for 12 months. It is also the Lepto vaccination that causes the worse of the reactions.

My father religiously vaccinated his dogs every year, until he took his perfectly health Cavalier for his annual check up & booster. His dog never came home, after being given a clean bill of health by the vet, he was given a Lepto booster & collapsed whilst my father waited to pay for the booster He died 3 hours later after all his organs failed dues to an adverse reaction to the booster(proven by an independent post mortem)

I have a titre test done on all my dogs prior to vaccination & this includes my puppies. I never vaccinate a puppy under 10 weeks of age & they then only require 1 vaccination inline with the manufacturer's protocol which can be found on the NOAH website)
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27-01-2013, 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by JoedeeUK View Post
Over 30 years ago I went to a new vet to get my dog's boosters done, I had moved over 150 miles from home & so obviously had to change vets

The vet I went to was a sole practice & he had become very concerned over the number of adverse reactions he was seeing in dogs just after they had been vaccinated. In conjunction with the Glasgow Veterinary School he set up a scheme of titre testing before vaccination & after 5 years he was no longer seeing any post vaccination reactions.

I took up the offer of joining the scheme & ever since have never vaccinated before titre testing. I had one dog that never needed vaccinations & in the opinion of the Glasgow Professor it would have been dangerous to ever vaccinate him.

Leptospirosis vaccine available in the UK do not cover all the serovars of Lepto here in the UK & the immunity does not last for 12 months. It is also the Lepto vaccination that causes the worse of the reactions.

My father religiously vaccinated his dogs every year, until he took his perfectly health Cavalier for his annual check up & booster. His dog never came home, after being given a clean bill of health by the vet, he was given a Lepto booster & collapsed whilst my father waited to pay for the booster He died 3 hours later after all his organs failed dues to an adverse reaction to the booster(proven by an independent post mortem)

I have a titre test done on all my dogs prior to vaccination & this includes my puppies. I never vaccinate a puppy under 10 weeks of age & they then only require 1 vaccination inline with the manufacturer's protocol which can be found on the NOAH website)
Oh

so titre test will be fine in any case

think I just will let test her and then whatever

in any case I need to know her safe of any dangerous infections or viruses

apart from, that I need the entry of regularly vaccinations in her EU vaccination card anyway, that I can carefree leave the country and come back again

and many thanks for your post too
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27-01-2013, 03:09 PM
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I already heard, often enough, that German must be a very difficult language to learn
If anyone thinks German is a difficult language to learn then they have never tried to learn Czech

Now that really is a difficult language I am trying to learn both, not doing to well on either but German is closer to English than Czech.
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27-01-2013, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Malpeki View Post
Oh

so titre test will be fine in any case

think I just will let test her and then whatever

in any case I need to know her safe of any dangerous infections or viruses

apart from, that I need the entry of regularly vaccinations in her EU vaccination card anyway, that I can carefree leave the country and come back again

and many thanks for your post too
You must believe what you want to.

Titre testing is NOT proof of immunity, period!

Memory cells are the immunity they cannot be measured. There is no clearer way to say it. Feel free to ring a testing laboratory near you and ask. Leptospirosis does not illicit titres, so even those titres (circulating antibodies) cannot be calculated, thats the ONLY reason the booster for Lepto is done each year. Its an insurance policy!

It was Glasgow University that told me this, along with all the other info out there. They did the titre testing on my bitch. They were the ones that advised a retest. I did this 3 months later and the titres were sky high! It was absolute proof that titre testing is NO proof of immunity, because believing the test result, I would have had my bitch boostered. She didnt need one!
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27-01-2013, 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn View Post
You must believe what you want to.

Titre testing is NOT proof of immunity, period!

Memory cells are the immunity they cannot be measured. There is no clearer way to say it. Feel free to ring a testing laboratory near you and ask. Leptospirosis does not illicit titres, so even those titres (circulating antibodies) cannot be calculated, thats the ONLY reason the booster for Lepto is done each year. Its an insurance policy!

It was Glasgow University that told me this, along with all the other info out there. They did the titre testing on my bitch. They were the ones that advised a retest. I did this 3 months later and the titres were sky high! It was absolute proof that titre testing is NO proof of immunity, because believing the test result, I would have had my bitch boostered. She didnt need one!
yup, guess I wanna get the test nevertheless, just as I already got so curious about

but for sure, she WILL GET her booster
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