My thoughts exactly I thought this thread had been stimmed, shot, then shot again - then a final shock then spat on then kicked into the ground and buried then burned then dug up and send off to sea - guess not

The excitment they display at the prospect of treats often masks stress signals ect.

Also that excitment indecates how keen they are to get the treats and how stressful they find not getting the treats.

Note I'm not saying any of this is bad or that it shouldn't occur (in fact its unavoidable) I'm just saying that your kidding yourselves if you believe reward based methods are any less stress inducing (in fact often more so) than aversives.

Adam

Are you even living on the same planet as the rest of us? Seriously. Because nothing you say makes ANY sense at all. How on earth can you believe this lot of BS you post here? I just can't even fathom how someone can live in a world so backward from reality.

- yes....in the same way that you kid yourself that a 'Stim' is not painful to the dog.

Incidentally - I have had a dog who has refused food rewards during training....and continued the training instead!

Presumably the reward of the interaction was more highly rewarding than that of the food, or the behvaiour you were training was naturally reward (drive type behaviours).

Adam

Or maybe she's a decent trainer

here you are adam & friend - this is fairly easy so you should be able to follow it.

Teaching Basic Commands Using Reward Based Training

Oct 3, 2008 Stephanie Becker

The phrase 'positive reinforcement' can be broken down to mean adding a reward to a behavior in order to increase the occurrence of that behavior. The reward given must be something that your dog views as special such as a treat, affection, or a favorite toy. This technique can be used to shape a variety of behaviors.
The Importance of Timing

Good timing in training is crucial. Dogs live in the moment, and even a few second's delay between the behavior and receiving the reward can make the training ineffective. Dogs are engaging in many behaviors at any given time, and in the few extra seconds taken to give them the reward they may have licked their lips, yawned or just made a simple movement, but any of these can be mistaken for the rewarded behavior. The reward must be given immediately following the desired behavior.
Teaching Sit

Teaching a dog to sit can be easily done by getting him to follow a treat. Begin by putting a small piece of treat in front of your dog's nose and then bring it slowly up and over the dog's head. In an effort to follow the treat, the dog should tilt his head back resulting in his hind end hitting the ground. If necessary, you can apply some pressure to the hind end to encourage him to sit. Reward him immediately when he is in the sitting position.
Practice this a few times before adding the word 'sit'. The verbal command is not effective until he has a movement to associate the word with.

The command 'come' is most effectively learned by using positive reinforcement. This can be a life saving command if the dog were ever to get loose, so it is important to never call your dog to you to scold, punish, or deliver anything he views as negative. If this is necessary, go to him instead. This will make sure that he never views coming to you as anything but a positive experience.

Practice calling your dog to you by saying the command 'come' and giving him his reward as soon as he gets to you. It may be helpful at first to squat down to his level or make fun sounds, such as whistling.
Fading the Reward

Once your dog is responding well to a command, it will not be necessary to give a reward every time. In your training sessions start giving the reward only every few times he does a certain behavior. This will keep him guessing and ensure that he will be able to obey a command even if you do not have a reward in hand.

unlike your video of your dog, whom clearly isn't masking his stress signals?

those sort of stress signals eh

Thats right kruse.

If I'd brought a ball out he would have lightened up and those signals disappeared, as it was I wanted to show the reality of dealing with a dog with a history of aggression.

Btw did you watch the follow up vids?

Adam

A stressed dog will not eat treats,so go figure