That wasn't the point that I was making.
The point I was making is that my son loves to shoot.
He does not, however, want to shoot anything that is alive. He has no desire to kill anything.
My point was it is possible to enjoy shooting without actually killing something.

Whilst my son is a city kid, he has spent a great deal of time in the country and totally gets the connection between lambs and lamb, cows and beef, deer and venison. He understands how animals are slaughtered, indeed he has a better understanding than a lot of kids as he attends a Jewish school and has learned about the differences between kosher and non kosher meat (and therefore slaughter).
He knows why we only eat organic ethically sourced meat.


My view is that if an animal has had a good life and a kind death then great. If it has spent it's life standing still or eating the eyes of it's neighbour, no, not good. If it is stressed out at slaughter, no not good. The conditions and level of care must be good from birth to death. That can be the case on some shoots, that can be the case with some farm animals. It's about respect.

yes Steve in this case i think they do, people want proof of where the millions of shot birds go & want to see that they arnt still being dumped. They know people are suspicious so instead of making 'claims' why dont they just prove they are exported...i wonder

Who needs proof? LACS? RSPCA? RSPB? ALF?

You could show any one or all of these groups evidence and they'll still say they've been faked so whats the point.Game shoots are perfectly legal and generate millions of pounds towards the economy and wont ever be stopped.

well I for one would like proof! i would have thought anyone who respects the life of an animal would want to know its body hasnt been discarded like a piece of rubbish!...and we are talking thousands upon thousands of bodies here.


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i wasnt the one who originally derailed it

and funny but on the grouse moors where predator control is ruthless, devoid of foxes...you'd think hen harriers would thrive wouldnt you?? well NO theyve all gone!!
yet only next door on the Bowland estate, owned by a water company, where foxes are left to their own devices can be found the hen harriers only breeding success! how very odd!!

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Now, now Noushka, considering I walk my girls on a grouse moor every day, and they roll in fox poo, I think that blows your theory out of the water.

Yes I am against keeping birds in battery conditions, which is why I support shooting, and the raising of birds in this country where conditions are generally better than europe. Or would you prefer that people bought battery birds in neatly packaged polystyrene trays and never had a clue how a bird lived and died?

What isn't under control is the cost of rearing game birds, it's cheaper to buy in from abroad, I personally would like to see that practice banned so we know the quality and welfare of birds in this country.

There is something out there that will take one.

My GWP. My mates GWP aswell.

They have both come back with foxes on walks more than once.

I then have to de flea/tick and wash em as foxes STINK. Can't even put em in the pot either.

Beautiful to look at but, a bluddy menace.

Can't you let the dogs get it?

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mucky pups!

it doesnt take a genius to work out there are going to be a lot less foxes where predators are ruthlessly controlled

but millions of birds over here are also kept in dreadful battery conditions,... the last government had put in place a ban on battery cages for gamebirds, but when the condems got in their 'animal welfare' minister overturned it! ...along with banning wild animals in circuses..etc, yes hes proved he really cares about animal welfare alright

Well I just stopped in at a service station on the motorway on my drive from Manchester to Glasgow and the butchers bit was selling pheasant. My local butcher sells it too, as does the Dobbies Garden Centre, so clearly people are eating it here in the UK?

yes clearly they are, just not that many...as ive already said BASC 'claim' the 80% not eaten here are exported.

To the OP, sorry to hear about your chickens that must have been awful .



Send in the hunt!

Only kidding, gave up hunting when I was about 14. Now a strict vegetarian