sorry I read it wrong, funny thing is, the moment I came back on to see whats being said and read it again, I kinda got it, what can I say, its winter my brain is hybernating...or somit like that x

dito, Im not sure if the people that feel he should be ignored are aware of all the advice hes dishing out, or the sort of advice,

but in this case its best to challenge terrible advice, as you say its all to often new members who may have there first dog, so the thought of them taking this advice would keep me awake at night.

It's an easy assumption to make ;o)

Yes, I know and sorry for not replying sooner Max. I think it's important for people to challenge advice they do not agree with from a principle point of view for sure. Some of the stuff I've read makes even me cringe and I am NOT an expert by any means. I'm just wondering if it might be better to quote and say ''I don't agree with 'this' because I think 'this' is a better approach'', rather than ''oh my God you are a moron'' etc etc. Just a thought.

ETA: not that anyone was caling anyone a moron, it was just an example.

I think you are referring to an increasing level of exasperation felt by some, at Labmans persistently ill-informed and out of date approach. I wasn't aware that I had descended into personal abuse, if I have I apologise. I will not apologise however, for sticking my head above the parapet everytime I see him giving inappropriate advice to the vulnerable.

I think Pidge people are becoming increasingly frustrated and exasperated at some of the advice Labman gives, not to mention his condensing attitude he consistently dishes out to members.. and yes people do get a bit of the "oh my God" attitude towards him, even yourself has not been immune to doing so

Out of date? Most of the other advice I read here is the same stuff I heard in the 50's.

Labman, I would love if you came up with some new insults it is getting boring, you live in the 50's and have a groundhog day everytime you wake up please come up with something that may surprise us, ie something that does not come out of your blind ignorance of reading this manual you claim to raise dogs on.
You say you get your info out of a manual, that is not knowledge that is treating every dog exactly the same, no matter what, routine is given to you by this manual, on feeding, bedding, exercise etc and you then sprout out information as if it is first hand experience all you are doing is following instructions I too can read a make a cake following a recipe it does not make me a chef
The book you claim to have read was written in 1991 outdated by chance???????????

Ahh---that explains it. It is always hard for the elderly to change a behaviour pattern. That must be why you are so set in your ways,

We have to make allowances for him folks---humour him a little. He is a grumpy old man.

rune

That's a curious statement. Who quotes training methods from the 50's on this forum? And what were they advising that is outdated? I can't say I have noticed them myself, the overwhelming majority of posters I have read promote kind and positive methods, which are certainly not straight from a 50's training manual.

some kennels take pups from bein vacced, most pups do 100% okay,the odd one isnt. but who is to say this pup would have settled if been left at an older age.