can you explain this please? thank u

Me thinks Heldengebroed wanted an argument!
Dawn,

Hi, I haven't read through the whole thread, but with the recent media bandwagon about rotties, I think if these non-educated people who think this beutiful breed should be "phased out", as they are "viscious and relentless" (yes people actual quotes! ) then going to a show, with a ring full of rotties, being placid, friendly, well behaved and generally not eating each other and fighting every dog in sight...

Do you get the idea? Would teach those of such arrogance a lesson or two about what rotties are really like.

so are all show dogs non agressive then random ??? because i doubt it any dog can bit ANY DOG

Now you're talking about socialisation and training. Not the qualities of the breed . You can have a perfectly wellbehaved dog that is a genetic disaster and visa versa. My basic point off vue was that although shows are a social event that brings people together, the breeding for show is negative (a disaster) for working breeds. The reason being that the emphasis lies on a wellbehaved dog that LOOKS good. The looks prevail wheras in a working environment the emphasis lies on the quality off work. Can the dog do the job and in second place the looks. I've looked into the Irish red and white setter and compared the working dogs with the red setters used for show. They don't even remotely look the same. Size, weight conformation all were different. So Basic question who is on the right track?

Greetings

Johan

Bloodhounds are one of our vulnerable breeds. Their original working function is becoming/has become obsolete, and they are really only suitable pets for a very particular kind of person (much as I admire them, I would make a useless owner for a bloodhound!) Nowadays, there are just so few of them around, that if weren't for those people who are carefully breeding them for the show-ring, they might have another 10 years before they become totally extinct.

Same goes for quite a few breeds that, due to their specialised requirements, loss of their traditional work, or simply because they're unfashionable , are numerically weak.

No but successful show dogs are rarely aggressive & no responsible breeder wants a dog to be shown if it has a bad temperament so try to breed away from it

Pet breeders/puppy farmers breed with scant regard to temperament or character-pet breeders because they want to have the experience & 99% of the time want a dog just like mum(but rarely get one)& puppy farmers simply for the money

Hi jodee
To be honest i do see your point but to me SOME show breeders breed for one reason only LOOKS i cannot say health as alot of breeds thanks to the show world have become so unhealthy, ie british bulldog, neos, ddb and many more!

They are alot of breeders who acutally strive to breed to the orignal standards and preserve the spirit of breeds and that means health also

and then there is puppy farmers who could give a damn but there are also many show breeds who do the same
but just because u dont breed under the kennel clubs so say dont make you a back yard breeder!

[QUOTE=Heldengebroed;759933]Now you're talking about socialisation and training. Not the qualities of the breed . You can have a perfectly wellbehaved dog that is a genetic disaster and visa versa. My basic point off vue was that although shows are a social event that brings people together, the breeding for show is negative (a disaster) for working breeds. The reason being that the emphasis lies on a wellbehaved dog that LOOKS good. The looks prevail wheras in a working environment the emphasis lies on the quality off work. Can the dog do the job and in second place the looks. I've looked into the Irish red and white setter and compared the working dogs with the red setters used for show. They don't even remotely look the same. Size, weight conformation all were different. So Basic question who is on the right track?

Your first post didn't really state that though.................

I would certainly say the majority aren't aggressive, if there is a disagreement with dogs its generally due to too much testosterone in close quarters (think nightclubs at throwing out time ) so that can't really be deemed as 'aggression'.

When you enter a show you sign the entry to say you aren't bringing an aggressive dog to a show if say it was involved in a 'agression' incident then its usually either reported and they risk a ban or sorted out between the owners depending on the severity.

I've not seen one serious fight yet at dog shows on a whole they are very sociable animals. :smt001