Press the button..... Zaaaaaapppppppppppp

If it's okay, I'd like to know that too, but as I said about your OH, when you weren't expecting it, and then someone shocks you, so you weren't psyched up about it, and it was a total surprise.


Also , are you willing to press the button on the remote when Ben is wearing it?

Let me say that those collars hurt like hell! I happen to believe that anyone who is using a tool like that should have to feel what it feels like... Similar to when cop cadets have the pepper spray sprayed in their eyes as part pr their training

IE you have both done F.all to train this recall, tryed something, TRYED not TRAINED, for the weekend, then moved on.

You really dont deserve your dogs imo.Time & effort

BTW please dont PM me anymore, its pathetic, you can say anything you want to me on this thread, defend your self on here so everyone can hear your drivel.

& since youve never tryed it on yourself, you are just a wimp & a cop out.
Have it on for the day tomoorrow & get your OH to zap you on & off for a hour, so u never know when its coming

"he looks up at his name usually" the Ecolar not worked then has it.
100% nameresponse is success. How strange my last two northern breeds ive trained have 100% name response, one pure sibe, one akita x mal. Much more untrainable with their heritage than your Sibexgsd x BC, Lets face it GSDs & BCs are both KNOWN for their good recalls

Ok gloves off now I did not suggest you wrap him in cotton wool I didn't wrap either of my dogs in cotton wool illness took both of them very young they lived up till that time a full and happy but safe life. Yes things can happen of course they can. My youngest son impaled himself on a stick badly a few years ago it was his choice though being stupid he is human and learnt not to be so stupid next time dogs cannot make that decision we set them up to fail. Of course accidents happen with them and we all understand that but purposely letting your dog run free when you know he has a high prey drive and the possibility of him being shot or are you exaggerating the trigger happy farmers is totally uneccessary and fool hardy.

I really do not know why you posted you knew what this post would create you seem to of got your wish and got everyone up in arms re: your dogs well being and safety.

You should of researched the breed better before purchasing or rescuing the breed you chose sorry x breed even more reason to research the two or three or more breeds. You don't seem to have much dog savvy I am afraid. Not In my opinion anyway and I feel a lot of others opinions either. All I can say now is poor Ben.

Better a live dog on the end of a long line and harness and no fear of being zapped especially when half the time it seems he is out of sight and possibly wondering what the hell is going on than a dead or dying dog because he has been shot or a stag has turned on him.

Gnasher, I know that you have lots of posts to wade through if you were going to reply to them all, and concede that may be difficult! However, what I think would be good is if you could perhaps do a few general posts for all of us.

It would save you time and might be easier all round

For example:

Post 1 could be:

A detailed post on exactly what methods were tried on Ben, for how long, what sort of trainer suggested that particular method. How many repetitions were made of whatever method, so that the dog could learn. What the result was, etc.


Post 2 could be:

What advice the neighbour, dvd, etc gave on the "how" to train with shock collars. And what type of collar you are using (Dogtra? Innotek? Petsafe?).

Just an idea, but as so many posts have asked for more details I thought it would help. I think as you've posted about this and also intend to continue with updates, it is only fair that the rest of us have a clear idea of what has been the "run up" to this.

Wys
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Just a few thoughts on the whole sheep/livestock/chasing deer etc.

My dog, a BSD, has a high chase drive. She lives to chase. I take her off lead into the New Forest where there are:

pigs, cattle, horses, riders, joggers, deer, donkeys, etc

I achieved this through lots of reward based training, details include initial desensisiting and habituation plus lots of good basic training (recall, sit, down, wait etc) plus more advanced training (chase recall, distance commands).

All of this was done using postive and predictive reward, e.g. kong on a rope which she was trained to love (play item chosen with care to reflect her preferences of exciting unpredictable thwackiness and movement! ).

However, in spite of all of this, and her being very responsive, trained from a puppy, being walked in the areaa for years, one thing I don't do is let her off near FOALS!
Because for some reason she realises that these are different.

Weaker? more playful and gadding about? Smell different? more skittish?

I am not sure and cannot ask her. But I do know for sure that if she was off lead too close to a foal, she would be likely to want to chase it.

So, she is still off lead on the walks in Spring BUT I keep an eye out, know where the herds aare, and recall her immediately and put her lead on when coming up to foals.

She is fine with this and enjoys recallling and even being on lead, as we have fun together whatever we are doing and that includes lead walking. In this situation her lead is let out and she has freedom of movement so a very loose lead walk, then once away from the foals she is let off again. However I can do recall/whatever is needed in case.

IN the Lake District, I exercised her off lead in Rothay park Ambleside, but on lead (long line and harness) during our daily walks as she was fascinated by sheep in spite of being habituated generally to "animals" and I think may have tried to chase.

It was fine, she had loads of exerdise and was a very happy dog throught our whole holiday.

I have posted this for 2 reasons:

1) to show that dogs will show a lot of interest in some types of animal even though they may be habituated to others.

2) It is possible to have a dog who is full of life, energy and who lives to chase, under control and happy

I totally appreciate I had my dog from a pup and also that she is more biddable possibly than Ben, but I believe the scenario is adaptable.

Wys
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hey wys,

Can i ask for Gnashers information, did you acheive this over a weekend?

Yes of course

(not not at all, it took a while! Hard to say how long, it was kind of ongoing with various bits of training etc starting and finishing at different times. Lots of intense training at the beginning of course. I practiced chase recall using toys many times a week, over and over.
I would not say a dog who has independent traits would be so easy to train but always worth giving it a go and using management etc as I did.
Also continual awareness of the environment esp. in the early days!)

I would say I was confident around year 2/3, when she was fully matured. But she was off lead most of the time from a small puppy - I was just careful when near anything that could stimulate her with movement, esp. sudden movement..

Learnt that from my first two, one of whom landed on the rump of a pony runnng in the marshes who luckily was bucked off. I had thought they were OK with horses and ponies. They were - until they moved suddenly or fast!!!!

I learnt a heck of a lot that day

Hence I worked really hard with this one. And I have to say, it's all been thoroughly enjoyable as I love training and so does she, yay!!


Wys
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ETA she was also very good around the guinea-pigs, perhaps this helped

Is it not time this thread was locked?

Personally I think there's nothing anyone can say that can be classed as 'constructive'!

I had never even heard of an e collar until I joined Dogsey!

I would never in a million years try one on any dog but I have to say I dislike the tone of some of the replies to the OP.

I don't feel the Mods on Dogsey do their job fairly at all!