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06-10-2011, 08:33 AM
Originally Posted by Dobermann View Post
yes, thats what I meant so thanks for clearing that up
I am going to try adding cider vinegar to chicken mince with next order, can but try
do you know what these tests are called please?

It may not be this but I will try adding the cider vinegar anyway as I doubt it will cause any harm.
Hi- I am not aware of a specific name but it would be blood testing.

If you try the cider vinegar to alter the acid balance it may be enough to support the hcl acid which is an enzyme activator. I knew I didn't spelled the enzyme correctly it is protease not protose.

If that doesn't improve things the next step I would try an enzyme supplement.

If you can't resolve the problem you need to take it further with your vet.

Just to add a point -Adding a wide range of raw natural foods that provide live enzymes is excellent but will not compensate for a malfunctioning digestive system.

Most of the digesting is done by enzymes produced in the body.

It appears to be pointing to a lack of protease at the moment.
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06-10-2011, 08:42 AM
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Well tonight the boy had potato and sweet potato, both with skins on (roughage), long green beans, chicken and some stock where I had cooked some mince earlier. He must approve as even before I had set it down he had sat & given me a high. Five with a lot of excited squeaks

I meant to cook some eggs today but was late home so will do that tomorrow, the d get raw eggs but not regularly

I must admit I am finding this thread interesting, although changed from the original about food recipes, it gives any new readers the chance to see the background and read on the problems that some of have had/are having

Another interesting result is his tear staining which is much diminished as well

That's good news I think you are on the right road and the lessening of tear staining is a good sign of reduction in toxic build up.

It is interesting especially if something positive develops.

If I may go back to the subject at the beginning of this thread.

I do think there is an issue with the offending kibble.
Another thought I had was apart from maybe unsound ingredients is the processing of the kibble.

As it is baked at high heat for a required length of time.
It may have been baked at too high a temperature or for too long or both.
That would explain a stronger smell and a darker colour.
It would also make it much harder to digest.

I wonder how many complaints they have had and if they have improved their customer complaints service!
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06-10-2011, 09:31 AM
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Accusing someone (indirectly) that to consider that genetics may be a factor in health problems is a bit pompous but not unexpected from that source. As it would be totally ludicrous to suggest that any allergies, intolerances or health problems are anything to do with genetics, in fact I wonder why people spend so much time carrying out health tests on their breeding stock to ELIMINATE or minimise health conditions. How CRAZY and POMPOUS is that? Utter madness, to think such a thing.

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Predictable more like..... the accusation of pompousness was directed to your sarcasm

Or of course I am just lucky?

Or perhaps I bought my dogs from constitutionally sound breeding stock?
What was the point of that, other than to have a bit of a dig, (as usual) it had nothing to do with pointing results of bad breeding/genetics, it was simply a pompous act on your part to yet again try to belittle others......


Which seems to be somewhat of a hobby of yours
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06-10-2011, 12:11 PM
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That's good news I think you are on the right road and the lessening of tear staining is a good sign of reduction in toxic build up.

It is interesting especially if something positive develops.

If I may go back to the subject at the beginning of this thread.

I do think there is an issue with the offending kibble.
Another thought I had was apart from maybe unsound ingredients is the processing of the kibble. As it is baked at high heat for a required length of time.
It may have been baked at too high a temperature or for too long or both.
That would explain a stronger smell and a darker colour.

It would also make it much harder to digest.

I wonder how many complaints they have had and if they have improved their customer complaints service!
Yes you are right - tear staining and toxic decline. Same as Katie, once she went onto the renal diet, her tear stains all but ceased, if she has bad days, the tear staining would ome back a little. It just shows though how other health issues can affect our dogs

Do you know I was thinking the same recently - if the kibble had been over baked etc it may have caused a problem, that would account for them saying the recipe hadn't changed. Or, perhaps they have new equipment, or new ways to process and cook the foods and didn't think it would make a
difference - I wonder if this line of thinking is nearer to what is the cause of the problems our dogs have had?
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06-10-2011, 12:22 PM
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thank you for the suggestion I will get the capsules.
post here; http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php...94#post2365594

Thanks again for the suggestion of capsules.
Thanks for the link just had a quick link as I am going out shortly. It's great that we can all help each other in this way
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06-10-2011, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by rueben View Post
That's good news I think you are on the right road and the lessening of tear staining is a good sign of reduction in toxic build up.

It is interesting especially if something positive develops.

If I may go back to the subject at the beginning of this thread.

I do think there is an issue with the offending kibble.
Another thought I had was apart from maybe unsound ingredients is the processing of the kibble.

As it is baked at high heat for a required length of time.
It may have been baked at too high a temperature or for too long or both.
That would explain a stronger smell and a darker colour.
It would also make it much harder to digest.

I wonder how many complaints they have had and if they have improved their customer complaints service!
I think that you may well be right about the cooking process. As for their customer complaints service, I wonder if they are still claiming that "nobody else has come back to them with problems"

Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
Yes you are right - tear staining and toxic decline. Same as Katie, once she went onto the renal diet, her tear stains all but ceased, if she has bad days, the tear staining would ome back a little. It just shows though how other health issues can affect our dogs

Do you know I was thinking the same recently - if the kibble had been over baked etc it may have caused a problem, that would account for them saying the recipe hadn't changed. Or, perhaps they have new equipment, or new ways to process and cook the foods and didn't think it would make a
difference - I wonder if this line of thinking is nearer to what is the cause of the problems our dogs have had?
But you see, they told me that the recipe HAD changed - they need to get their stories straight.
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06-10-2011, 07:36 PM
Great news!!!

Scared to say it but skin is normal colour & little to no itching! Hip happy days......
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06-10-2011, 07:45 PM
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I think that you may well be right about the cooking process. As for their customer complaints service, I wonder if they are still claiming that "nobody else has come back to them with problems"

But you see, they told me that the recipe HAD changed - they need to get their stories straight.
They told me no one else had complained about skin issues - that was avoiding stating there was any complaints

Well I told them it had changed as I had a bag of the old & one of the new & they'd nowt to say, they're never going to admit anything now. I was taking them to bro in law tomorrow but wonder if shouldn't hang onto them for a bit, sort of the only proof anyone has, what do you think?
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06-10-2011, 09:40 PM
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They told me no one else had complained about skin issues - that was avoiding stating there was any complaints

Well I told them it had changed as I had a bag of the old & one of the new & they'd nowt to say, they're never going to admit anything now. I was taking them to bro in law tomorrow but wonder if shouldn't hang onto them for a bit, sort of the only proof anyone has, what do you think?
I am thinking that there are probably a mountain of complaints about the new food, given that it is a fairly specialist food and that in the small circle of Dogsey there are three of us who have had problems with it (plus my friend who is the only other person that I know of with a dog on this food). In which case, they are shortly going to be forced to review the whole situation or face the crash of one of their lines. I would hang on to your bags for a little while; unfortunately we took our 15kg bag back to our supplier and he is currently trying to get our money back.

We have just had our vet's bill for the whole sorry saga but I doubt that there is any chance of recouping that unless they actually admit that the new kibble is no longer good for dogs with sensitivities such as ours.
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06-10-2011, 11:52 PM
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I am thinking that there are probably a mountain of complaints about the new food, given that it is a fairly specialist food and that in the small circle of Dogsey there are three of us who have had problems with it (plus my friend who is the only other person that I know of with a dog on this food). In which case, they are shortly going to be forced to review the whole situation or face the crash of one of their lines. I would hang on to your bags for a little while; unfortunately we took our 15kg bag back to our supplier and he is currently trying to get our money back.

We have just had our vet's bill for the whole sorry saga but I doubt that there is any chance of recouping that unless they actually admit that the new kibble is no longer good for dogs with sensitivities such as ours.
I doubt they will do that, their response has been to avoid the issue and hope it will go away or wait until any fuss dies down

Was your bill in 3-figures? Im guessing it was. Is Jimmi insured?
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