No, like I said in my opinion any breeder who keeps their dogs in cages, kennels or outdoors imo can't consider themselves to be a good breeder.

Dogs are pack animals they need to feel part of the family. Pups should be reared indoors with the family, that's my opinion.

so cant consider myself a good breeder then?in just your opinon.sorry no more posts from me il loose my rag .
yep dogs are pack animls and imo would prefer the canine company over human company,given a chance,imo,however my pups are reared with kids,and go on to be well socialised indeviduals,and the only time they go in a cage is for there vet checks and heart tests in the car.

Have to say I agree with you Mini if there is no demand there will be no supply route for these people to go.

Sadly people think they are 'rescuing' them. I know it's had but you really have to be tough to walk away from a puppy you think is not being cared for properly.
Becky

I know of an Irish Setter breeder that keeps her dogs and bitches in cages. She shows her dogs but they never look in very good condition, how can they, they lack muscle tone and just look very subdued.

Any dogs will suffer being shut in cages for any length of time but a dog like a setter needs to run free, they need to burn off their excess energy, to play and, like any dog, have fun. My own dogs start being very naughty if they can't get out in the big garden on the odd occasion, they have their small garden but that isn't enough for them. They will start nibbling things they shouldn't and having play fights in the kitchen, trampling over anyone that's trying to snooze. I let them out and they burn off that excess energy, come back in when they're ready and are settled from then on.

Cages can be very helpful when you have pups, Bradley loved going in his as a baby puppy but the door was left open, I just closed it if the others were having a mad half hour and I didn't want him hurt, he was never shut in for any length of time and I think he missed his sanctuary when I first removed it.

If I went to view a litter of pups and they were in a cage but then brought out for me to see, and the adults were either roaming free or in appropriate housing, I would consider the pup. However, if I went to see them and everything was caged I would tell the breeder that I wasn't interested and report them to the relevant breed society and let them take it up with them in the hope that something could be done. I would make sure that I also told as many people as possible about the conditions they were kept in.

I personally think dogs should be part of the family and live indoors, however I do understand that its not always possible so as long as they have proper housing with adequate runs and heating in the winter, plus lots of human contact, playtime etc., I don't personally have a problem with people kennelling their dogs. I do have a big problem with 24/7 caging.

Firstly, I definitely don't agree with keeping dogs locked up in cages.

However, I cannot agree to the above statement. My border collies all came from working breeders, whose dogs work for a living and live outdoors. These dogs are all perfectly happy, well socialised, valued dogs.

Just because they live outside, does not make them any less important to their owners.

here here scorpio i agree i myself breed boxers and have always kept my dogs in doors , but i only have three bitches and dont own a stud dog , but if i did have a larger amount of dogs i would have no problem keeping them outdoors but have to say as a reply to ann uk that if someone keeps a dog out doors they cannot consider them selves a breeder what a load of tosh , as long as the dog is well housed feed exercised and and treating without cruelty what does it matter if its kept in doors or out at lot of top class show ppl (ie mary and john hambleton )for example keep theyre dogs outdoors in heated runs and kennels and she is not only a well respected top class breeder of boxers she is also a top classs breeder of pugs she has also a well known reputation as a show judge but as you say its only your opinion that ppl that do this cant call themselves a breeder .
im sorry but in my opinion i dnt agree
and my opinon is a dog kept in a cage for long periods of time with little room to move or get stretched out wether kept indoors or out is not a breeder but someone with little regard to the animal . jmo

I can't believe your statement considering your experience of dogs and the variety of breeds you claim you know so much about. In all the years you have had dogs you've never met one that prefers being outside rather than panting it's head off in the house. I find this incredible. Breeds such as Akitas which are triple coated generally find it more pleasant to be outside. My friends dogs are in the house when they want to be but will tell her they want to go out to there kennels as they are more comfortable.
As for puppies being outside. Yes in the cold of winter, but once pups are a certain age, the general opinion is they benefit and come on spending some of the day outside. But then as you've stated before you can't stand breeders or anyone that breeds dogs anyway.
So at this point i'll bow out

Very very well said megan57

Absolutely agree. In the main if you give a collie a choice it will stay outside.