How would you feel if you were treated like that and showen on vido for everyone to see.?????????????

Sorry, I was unclear. I was using the term "sheepdog" as a behavioural description of a dog keen to work sheep, rather than as a description of the physical appearance of the dog

Yes it is a problem for a potential working dog to be too keen, or insufficiently keen, like Goldilocks and the three bears, keeness needs to be "just right" - keen enough to do the job, but also prepared to listen to instruction, including "That'll do".

Although training can encourage or suppress behaviour, where a dog is a primarily a tool, to do a job, people don't persevere with one that is going to require an above average degree of training, be that encouragement or suppression.

Unlike doing the best you can, in the style or training methodology and techniques that you feel comfortable with, with the pet you have already bonded with, even if it can be an uphill struggle at times, and your pet may never excel in that area, however much time and patience you put in.

I dont like to misstreat any dogs as they have all there own personailtys

So this sick individual was shocking an 8 month old puppy for recreational purposes - to show off to his cronies down the pub?

That is a disgrace!

Yes that is the world we live in to day some sick people around with nothing else on there minds but to harm the poor dogs of our world maybe in there next live they will be treated in the same way. You think ??????????????????????

All this thread has proved :

To start with when he Joined Dogsey, i quite liked AP,although he used ecollars, he seemed to also use other methods & contributed with some common sense.

im reallly not sure what has happened, if AP is now a different person, or hes just shown his true colours.

Its clear from this thread
1. he gets **** results from his training
2.he cant read dog body language
3.he prefers to use a ecollar before anything else
4. he thinks he understands other methods of training but does not.

Now i dont disagree that a dog can learn from a aversive if required, but would never ever ever use electricity as a training aid. Its not "right". Morally corrupt. Evil & sadistic.

before anyone uses any aversive the dog must first KNOW what alternative behaviour is required, so the correct praise can be given as soon as it is given & correct behaviour promoted.

Adam is AGREEING with us folks----he has seen the light----he KNOWS the vids show miserable dogs. He has written it.

He needs to be congratulated for understanding that his dogs are not working happily.

rune

Not so sure about that Rune ,apparently Adam has stated elsewhere because of the unpopularity of e collars in the uk he is planning on changing to all e collar based work soon and intends to put e collars on all his dogs to promote them isn't this so Adam , do tell me I am wrong!

I am not sure how many e collars at a time his dogs will be wearing, one, two or more, Adam is a little shy about discussing this aspect of his 'work'.

Vid one, The mali. Oh my god!!!! you evil woman, her dog is nice enough, but has no reall drive does it?

Vid two, wqhich dog am i looking at? Collie looks worried

Vid 3. Are you Joking, if you want to see a dog that DOSENT know what its doing look here. Confused ,badley taught, no drive& worried

Vid 4. Thats shocking pardon the pun, slow work distracted attention, wide & forward work o HW, Worried wait on recall, sits really far awayn present. just awful

Vid 5. No real drive or speed, which is what you can get with reward methods

Is this true, Adam?