the point i am trying to make is that i havent had this problam but i seam to read a lot of top breaders do this even if the mum is a bad mother when i mean bad i mean she will attack the puppies snap at them and not care
to me that is tempermenet problams although she is 100% in very other way and yes it has a lot to do with the breeder bu still puppies learn alot from there mums
yet top breeders all ways go on about temperment and health
so why breed from a bitch if she is going to bad tempred with the pups?

Kaos's mum had a hot head, quite a handful, then after a litter of pups she seemed to mellow, Kaos is as docile as the day is long, I think as a rule if a dog is very nasty, ??? but you get what you rear, most of the time, imo you can buy the softest pup in the land and put it in the hands of a fool and the transformation is very quick, just to add a bit on the temprament side,

Where did you notice that ''a lot of breeders still breed from these bitches and hand rear there puppies'' Staffer?

Someone with a bitch that ''was health tested and top show dog and perfect standard for her breed'' would most likely be an experiences person, they would be very unlikely to breed from a bitch which had previously attacked her puppies making it necessary for them to be hand reared.
Hand rearing is only done in an emergency or in exceptional circumstances because of the loss of passive immunity/dam to puppy socialisation and any good breeder knows this.

tegan still taught her pups
really wish she hadn't though,
rotty school of life, what she taught them, lol
how to get up on the sofa,
how to get up on the bed.
where all the goodys are kept in my bedroom, only acssesable from the bed,.
how to hide, remotes . phones. socks,
how to take a toy appart in seconds,
how to chuck the fluff from newly wrecked toy
how to get the sqeeky out of toy then tear disfunctional toy into tinnny tinnnnny bits that block the hoover,
drinking from toilet, after which you should dry your face on hand towel and shredd the loo roll hanging on holder.
where the spare loo roll is kept,
this is better shredded on the hall stair and landing.
DIGGIN HOLES and when thats done dig a hole within a hole or move on to barrel planter,
how to look like you have no idea who did the bad thing, then look at royce like he did it,
how to look like your going to be sick if your in trouble,
the best bits of worktop to search.,
how to bug the cat. sit on top of him if he is on the sofa (its only for dogs not cats )
the list is endless,,,........................................ ..........................................I wish she had just totaly ignored them .............they were nice (hand reared pups) untill she showed them how things are done,

IMO I would not breed from a bitch that turned on her own litter( unless said mother felt threatened by outside influences when she is in a vunerable statewhich caused her to turn against her litter or dissown them), I feel a good brood bitch produces good brood bitches, if you have a brood bitch that is not suitable then I feel this may be passed down to her offspring and possibly produce more bitches that are not good mothers and so the problem goes on. any good experienced breeder will IMO avoid introducing problems into their lines, as any good reputable breeder will ONLY breed to make improvementsand better the breed.

Mo

i have bred dogs for a long time nearly over 20 years and yes i have shown a little as well and i still keep in touch with breeders in the show ring and when i have time i go to dog shows and i speak to ppl who have had this problam and they still carry on breeding
in my opinion if any of my bitches did that i would not breed from her again as in humans you do get some bitches who are just not ment to be mothers
i have been on some web sites and they clearly state that the mum was a bad mother and they had to hand rear the litter and were going to plan and breed her again

With a normally good naturered bitch who then turns on her litter, what evidence is there that the litter would be affected in producing on their own litter. Sometimes there is not an explanation why a bitch turns one minute and then is fine with a second litter. I think you can only go on your experience of your dog and your breed.
Putting aside any medical reasons, there is no evidence that a brood bitch turning on her puppies will then reacts with those pups growing up and doing the same thing to their litters. Bitches can also sense things with their litter when things are not right. Many breeders will not post mortem a pup even if the mother kills them. But some who do find out by post mortem that the pup that was killed or rejected by it's mother was seriously deformed internally. Something the bitch picked up on but we would not.

some very good points
but i have noticed that if a bitch attacks the litter and i mean all not one she will 100% do it again to the next litter i have observed this and its manly been in bullbastiffs they have the puppies clean them and even let them suckle but as soon as they go towards the dams face they attack them and sometimes if your not quick kills them
although i have noticed it in other breeds like the cavilair
dobermanns
mastiffs but very rare
but in bullmastiffs i have observed it nearly 5 times
and yes i am aware that mum know ,s best and do,s reject some puppies as there could be some sort of health problam but usally they push it out of the way not attack it
as we human intervine and kep them alive and when they older they have health problams as in the wild only the healthiest will survive thats why most dogs have large litters as in the wild only a few may reach adulthood jimo

I am a little confused here Staffer I thought you were talking about 'what breeders do' ...
in you posts you say...

''i notice a lot of breeders still breed from these bitches''
''the point i am trying to make is that i havent had this problam but i seam to read a lot of top breaders do this ''
''I speak to ppl who have this problem''

in the last post you say...

'' I have noticed that if a bitch attacks the litter and i mean all not one she will 100% do it again to the next litter i have observed this and its manly been in bullbastiffs they have the puppies clean them and even let them suckle but as soon as they go towards the dams face they attack them and sometimes if your not quick kills themalthough i have noticed it in other breeds like the cavilair
dobermanns
mastiffs but very rare
but in bullmastiffs i have observed it nearly 5 times''

This sounds rather like you are talking about litters you have bred?

you would love that to be true
one thing you must have learned about me with all the threads i have done in the past that if i did have these so called litters i would have stated it i dont hide anything thankyou
but i think i have experince in breeding and yes i get alot of ppl ringing me for advice this must hurt alot of ppl as ppl asking me for advice, it my be sad but its true
and thats were i get my info
i would not breed from a btch if she attacked her litter again and as i have said in all my answers i have see n it and come cross it so i dont know were you came up with that i am speaking as though its my bitches anything else you would like to know Minihaha