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Originally Posted by
Jackbox
Personally I think if
you get into bed with the devil you will get burned ...........
Yes, we will get burned. Every day an unscrupulous breeder advertises, or 'gets away' with selling their dog via the site it will hurt like hell.
But I can't think of any other way to get to that crucial stage of prospective dog buyers - the beginning. When they start looking for dogs and just before they make the mistake that so many do.
We'd love nothing more for people to do their research first and be very careful where they buy from - but they just aren't doing that right now. Despite the efforts of the RSPCA, the Dogs Trust and all other charities (which of course we're grateful for) it is still, alarmingly, going on far too much.
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
Am I understanding this right, you want to set up a site where
anyone can advertise a litter/stud dog and so on...regardless of the type of breeder they are, but with a side note or disclaimer that...we (the site) only promotes good ethical breeding?
The first stage would be to offer whatever it is that the current leading 'classifeds' sites offer - in an effort to kill them off/replace them.
We'll then start to add our messages/advice and perhaps do other things too - but it will only work if we become the most popualr site - ie the one people will find when they search for 'akita puppies for sale', etc.
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
Yet you hope the message that gets across will be one that says dont buy from that advert, but from this one, because although we allow that type of breeder to advertise on our site, we recommend you buy from this type of breeder
Not exactly. I think it would be next to impossible for
any site to vet
every single breeder - look at the KC for example, with all their revenue you still get bad (and good) KC breeders.
So instead we'll try to make sure prospective pet owners get what we think is good advice, and tips and what to look out for. I think your point below demonstrates another good reason why we ought to do it this way.
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
We have knowledgeable people here who will help you find the right breeder,but we don't mind allowing the wrong type to advertise, but lets face it Azz, whats the right type of breeder, what is the right type of breeder for one person, is not the same for another, we already have members here who disagree on that million dollar question,
You're right - it boils down to opinion. And what we'll do is offer our opinion, but be fair and balanced (and not extremist - as that just puts people off) with negatives and positives and then let people make up their own mind. Maybe we will add a message from the RSPCA, or the Dogs Trust - or even well written, thoughtful opinions by you guys. My main concern is that people are not getting that advice now - because the other sites don't really give a monkeys.
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
Lets look at it from the prospective members view point one who is searching fro a new pup/rescue dog , they find this new site and across the top says we support ethical breeding ....yet you open a page and find adverts for dogs that clearly are not from ethical breeders........confusing to say the least.
You're right - that would confuse the heck out of them
But the top will never say that - because that gives out the wrong impression (it makes it sound like all the ads are by ethical breeders - but we know they're not). Our message will actually be the opposite
we'll say something like "hey, we know there are good and bad breeders, and we know that there are more bad breeders out there than good - but it would be impossible to vet every breeder, so instead we'll give you the knowledge on how to do it yourself - and potentially save yourself from heartache and problems down the road."
Do you see where I'm coming from? I told you it was a crafty approach
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
My opening sentence will tarnish any good intentions you may have , you cant lay down with the scum and not be smothered with the dirt...no matter the message you are trying to portray.........
I know what you're saying - but if I have you guys on my side I can do it, and live with what other people think - because they don't know what our intentions are or that we have a master plan, one that might actually do more than what has ever been done before.
Originally Posted by
Jackbox
Well that my view anyway, find another way to get the message across, why not put a header on top of every section on this site... and I would not link it to Dogsey, otherwise you may give the wrong idea. that we support any type of breeder and their adverts.........
You demonstrate another good point - Dogsey isn't the first port of call for the majority of would-be owners,
those sites are. People tend to come to us _after_ they've got a dog (and usually when something's gone wrong).
We want (and need) to reach people at the very start, before they've even bought a dog - and I believe that's where those sites are key. Hence this idea.