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03-03-2012, 08:49 AM
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Janice Mair of the Glenauld Boxers:

‘At the breed council meeting in May 2011 where Dr Bruce Cattanach reported his findings on juvenile kidney disease (JKD) he named several champion dogs purely on pedigree evidence who in his opinion had produced unconfirmed cases of JKD.
So I ask why my dog was singled out and named and blame by Dr Cattanach in the programme? Was it perhaps because over the years I have openly criticised his experiment of introducing Pembroke Welsh Corgi breeding into our breed for purely cosmetic reasons? Short tails (the bobtail gene) have nothing to do with the health of the breed.
The most important part of my written response to the programme was never mentioned, which was that since Dr Cattanach brought it to our attention – although he had no evidence to back this up – that it was possible JKD was a hereditary condition, we have not used our champion dog, and that is since October 2010. He is 11 years old this week.
Sharon McCurdy who appeared on the programme omitted to mention that her bitch who died from kidney failure had been in whelp and had an anaesthetic for a caesarean section just days before she died.
The health and welfare of our dogs has always been of paramount importance and we take into account a range of factors when selecting dogs to breed from which include temperament, health test results as recommended by the breed council and the Kennel Club and genetic diversity which we now make it our policy to achieve with tools such as Mate Select. We are happy to divulge any breeding records and give bloods to the Boxer breed council health committee to help with any work to find a gene marker to test for JKD.’


Walker and Yvonne Miller of the Walkon Boxers:

‘A full statement was supplied to Jemima Harrison before Monday’s programme. Despite stating that it should be read out and printed in its complete form without any alteration this was not done and we feel that we were unfairly represented and consequently wish to clarify our position.
The health and wellbeing of our dogs is and always has been of paramount importance to us, and for our puppy owners whom we actively encourage to report any problems they may encounter. In addition we check with them on a periodic basis. Consequently the continual positive feedback we receive gives us no reason to believe that we have any ongoing health problems of any kind.
We have been breeding Boxers for more than 30 years and during this time have only had two suspected cases of JKD reported in our breeding and have no reason to believe they are of a hereditary nature.
It has been suggested that we know of more cases that we are not admitting to, which is completely and unequivocally untrue.
A recent check on all litters we have bred from 2006 to 2011 – a period which exceeded that on which Dr Cattanach’s research is based – has not brought to light any further cases.
In the BBC4 documentary it was stated that if Gucci carries the faulty gene for JKD it is most likely he inherited it from a champion Walkon dog who appears in all but two of Dr Cattanach’s cases. Dr Cattanach indicated to the health committee and ourselves that this dog had to be present on both sides of affected dogs’ pedigrees as the gene in question was recessive.
Dr Cattanach was offered the complete and comprehensive breeding records of this dog and was told that blood and semen samples could be made available to the breed, an offer that was dismissed by him as being of no interest.
We were unable to give blood samples from affected dogs as we have had no cases of JKD ourselves and it should be pointed out that other breeders in addition to Walkon and Glenauld were contacted by Dr Cattanach and informed that they too were involved in the spread of JKD. These breeders were not mentioned in the programme and we feel we were unfairly singled out.
We remain concerned that the majority of the JKD cases appear to be based largely on pedigree analysis with little veterinary or pathological evidence having been produced to confirm them. It was stated in the programme that there was ‘no definitive proof that Dr Cattanach was right’ in his assumptions, and indeed a statement by the health committee on the breed council website would appear to agree with this.
When breeding, we apply a range of factors including genetic diversity, temperament and breed council and KC-approved health schemes to ensure we are breeding happy, health dogs. During 2011 and with the help of the KC’s Mate Select tool we have reduced our average inbreeding coefficient of our litters by 39 per cent and are committed to reducing this further on an ongoing basis.
We stand completely behind efforts to understand the cause and prevalence of JKD and welcome the development of any tests for it. Our complete breeding records spanning over 30 years are available for inspection and we are happy to provide blood samples to the Boxer breed council health committee to further any research into JKD’.
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03-03-2012, 09:51 AM
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1 - do we know for definite that this is true?


2 - it doesn't negate the fact that this particular Boxer did have JKD.
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03-03-2012, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TabithaJ View Post
1 - do we know for definite that this is true?


2 - it doesn't negate the fact that this particular Boxer did have JKD.
But why was she breeding from the bitch?? , if she knew the dog had JKD, if its true she is as bad as those in the limelight.
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03-03-2012, 11:56 AM
When the research into the gene came to light it was discovered that more bitches than dogs were affected.

I have sympathy for anyone who has spent their life putting all into a successful show breeding kennel to have something like this knock them back. It must be a devastating shock.

As a whole it needs to be looked at as to what hope is there for future generations, for those unfortunate enough to buy the pups & those pups/dogs who are affected - what can be done.

One consideration perhaps could be looking at importing dogs from other countries, is this something that could be considered - whose dogs do not carry the JKD gene
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03-03-2012, 11:57 AM
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But why was she breeding from the bitch?? , if she knew the dog had JKD, if its true she is as bad as those in the limelight.
Indeed
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03-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Hmm I didnt realise it was the same Dr who was doing the bobtail crosses
I was reading on the boarder wars blog about that
http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2...cut-short.html
There are a few articles on his work, the bobtail gene and stuff on the merle gene too are also relivent because it seems the bobtail gene may well be a lethal semi dominant gene causing 'double bobtail' puppies, when they survive to be born, to be born with no anuses! like the 'double merle' with sight and hearing issues
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03-03-2012, 12:35 PM
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But why was she breeding from the bitch?? , if she knew the dog had JKD, if its true she is as bad as those in the limelight.
Did she know at that stage the bitch had JKD? Apparently it can strike some young ones very suddenly - which also comes into question what age was the bitch when she died
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03-03-2012, 01:11 PM
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Hmm I didnt realise it was the same Dr who was doing the bobtail crosses
I was reading on the boarder wars blog about that
http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2...cut-short.html
There are a few articles on his work, the bobtail gene and stuff on the merle gene too are also relivent because it seems the bobtail gene may well be a lethal semi dominant gene causing 'double bobtail' puppies, when they survive to be born, to be born with no anuses! like the 'double merle' with sight and hearing issues
That's a different issue Ben, (mostly everyone knows how I feel/felt about that cross).
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03-03-2012, 01:13 PM
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That's a different issue Ben, (mostly everyone knows how I feel/felt about that cross).
I know, sorry for going off topic - but in my mind what evidence he was allegidly hiding there does make me wonder a bit about his research for other things.
He might be right about this issue - but it does raise a red flag for me and I would prefer if someone else was looking into this issue
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03-03-2012, 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs View Post
I know, sorry for going off topic - but in my mind what evidence he was allegidly hiding there does make me wonder a bit about his research for other things.
He might be right about this issue - but it does raise a red flag for me and I would prefer if someone else was looking into this issue
I think he is genuine about the JWD issue, genuinely concerned enough to do something about it ie the research. Still ongoing. It's all worth a try. The last PDE programme appears to have opened a can of worms...
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