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29-10-2008, 09:43 AM
Originally Posted by melzy 
We Dont Own Animals We Just Share The Earth With Them
We as humans do untold good managing the welfare of animals...
The Giant Panda for instance, should we just allow them to die out, because we dont own them !!
One of two things would happen... they would overpopulate whcih bring its own problems..
Two, they would die out , if we did not intervene with endangered species.
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29-10-2008, 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by melzy
but man is going to kill the chickens and lambs for his tea! a fox cant go to tesco can it
A fox will break into where the chickens are, kill everything alive, rip them to pieces, eat the one or two that they can and leave the rest of the dead birds for the owner to find in the morning.
Humans breed animals specifically for meat, and time and effort and money goes into doing that. Generally speaking, there is a lot of time and effort put into getting those chickens and lambs etc onto people's plates. Foxes, on the other hand, are indiscriminate killers.
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29-10-2008, 09:51 AM
Originally Posted by melzy
thats what i mean we dont own them so we have no right do kill them how an when we want,and whats pandas got to do with it are foxes eating them
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29-10-2008, 09:57 AM
Originally Posted by IsoChick
Yes, but when I want chicken, I go and pick one and humanely kill it, and then eat it....
A fox will break into where the chickens are, kill everything alive, rip them to pieces, eat the one or two that they can and leave the rest of the dead birds for the owner to find in the morning.
Humans breed animals specifically for meat, and time and effort and money goes into doing that. Generally speaking, there is a lot of time and effort put into getting those chickens and lambs etc onto people's plates. Foxes, on the other hand, are indiscriminate killers.
if foxes could breed chickens im sure the would an they would have very good chickens in the shops
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29-10-2008, 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by IsoChick
Yes, but when I want chicken, I go and pick one and humanely kill it, and then eat it....
A fox will break into where the chickens are, kill everything alive, rip them to pieces, eat the one or two that they can and leave the rest of the dead birds for the owner to find in the morning.
Well I'd say foxes are as clever as they are made out to be then, as Melzy says, they know they don't have much time, they want a meal, so kill them all, just in case they've got time to eat them all without being disturbed. Anyways, as I said previously, surely, you can keep chickens secure enough NOT to let the foxes in, I know people who do that???
Humans breed animals specifically for meat, and time and effort and money goes into doing that. Generally speaking, there is a lot of time and effort put into getting those chickens and lambs etc onto people's plates. Foxes, on the other hand, are indiscriminate killers.
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29-10-2008, 10:22 AM
I come from a farming background and we used to breed and show rare poultry. Despite having coops and fences foxes can and will find away to get to a easy meal. It was always a challange to stay one step ahead of them (we suffered more losses at the hands of people, theiving toerags!). BUT i never liked the hunt, i was so glad when they stopped it and in my mind its a barbaric and outdated farce. If it was truelly the best way to kill a fox then why were the hounds bred for stamina and not speed? I also hate the disregard for the horses and the hounds alike. I have seen a young mare with her wind broken gasping for breath and the rider said 'plenty of running left in her yet!' when i dared to point this out. The whole thing stinks. A good marksman with a bullet is the best and humane way to control foxes, you also make sure you get the fox thats being a pest.
However when it comes to rabbits and Rats and don't think you can bet a dog. Seeing lurchers do there job made me sure of this and is also nature in action. A run never lasts more then a few mins a the dog brings the bunny back (without a mark on it and could be let go with no ill effect) to be dispatched quickly. The same goes for rats and terriers, a few shakes and its all over in seconds. Much better then slow acting poision or traps . . .
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29-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by melzy
well a fox hasnt got a lot of time when he knows he could get a bullet in him if he doesnt hurry up:shock: if foxes could breed chickens im sure the would an they would have very good chickens in the shops
Thats one clever fox, who can reason out someone is waiting with a gun to ge t him.... leaving no time to clean up his mess behind him
Originally Posted by Razcox
I am a bit of a mixed bag these days with regard to hunting . . .
I come from a farming background and we used to breed and show rare poultry. Despite having coops and fences foxes can and will find away to get to a easy meal. It was always a challange to stay one step ahead of them (we suffered more losses at the hands of people, theiving toerags!). BUT i never liked the hunt, i was so glad when they stopped it and in my mind its a barbaric and outdated farce. If it was truelly the best way to kill a fox then why were the hounds bred for stamina and not speed? I also hate the disregard for the horses and the hounds alike. I have seen a young mare with her wind broken gasping for breath and the rider said 'plenty of running left in her yet!' when i dared to point this out. The whole thing stinks. A good marksman with a bullet is the best and humane way to control foxes, you also make sure you get the fox thats being a pest.
However when it comes to rabbits and Rats and don't think you can bet a dog. Seeing lurchers do there job made me sure of this and is also nature in action. A run never lasts more then a few mins a the dog brings the bunny back (without a mark on it and could be let go with no ill effect) to be dispatched quickly. The same goes for rats and terriers, a few shakes and its all over in seconds. Much better then slow acting poision or traps . . .
To take a horse to a fitness level for a days hunting, you will have had to put hrs days weeks mths, of work of exercise into said animal... otherwise you have will have an unsound horse on your hands...
Most servants of the hunt, and a lucky few will have a second horse, if they are going to be out all day... others who only own one, would be fools to allow an unfit horse to do a days hunting.
And as most people who hunt, their horses are pets first hunters second... and will know the danger of running an unsound horse...
You will get the idiots in all walks of horse owners... from the gymkhana pony to the competition horse...fools are fools not matter their hobby.
The majority of horse owners look after there nags.
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29-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Thats one clever fox, who can reason out someone is waiting with a gun to ge t him.... leaving no time to clean up his mess behind him
There will be people who have little regard for their animals whether they re on horseback or not...
To take a horse to a fitness level for a days hunting, you will have had to put hrs days weeks mths, of work of exercise into said animal... otherwise you have will have an unsound horse on your hands...
Most servants of the hunt, and a lucky few will have a second horse, if they are going to be out all day... others who only own one, would be fools to allow an unfit horse to do a days hunting.
And as most people who hunt, their horses are pets first hunters second... and will know the danger of running an unsound horse...
You will get the idiots in all walks of horse owners... from the gymkhana pony to the competition horse...fools are fools not matter their hobby.
The majority of horse owners look after there nags.
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