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10-11-2011, 12:30 PM
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To the OP - Bark busters don’t have great reviews for training dogs. Also a friend a while back asked my opinion on them and I said don’t use them. From what I read about the Manchester one, they were into the dominance therapy, i,e, you have to be top dog, you walk through the door ways first etc, so if you are trying to help this person please use an APBC registered trainer.

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It's an uphill struggle. You can't speak to anyone around here for more than 2 minutes without someone bringing up the 'D' word. I keep trying to get people interested in Sue Ailsby's 'Training Levels', with zero interest so far.
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10-11-2011, 12:32 PM
My post should read dominance theory not therapy. I’m in work and sneaking onto the forum, so have to type as fast as I can!
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10-11-2011, 12:42 PM
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It's pieces of chain sewn into a fabric bag which is then dropped to make a noise and distract the dog. Like how some people put gravel into a can and shake it.

Not really my style.
Ah like training discs.
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10-11-2011, 12:44 PM
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It's an uphill struggle. You can't speak to anyone around here for more than 2 minutes without someone bringing up the 'D' word. I keep trying to get people interested in Sue Ailsby's 'Training Levels', with zero interest so far.
If you are a dog trainer you can then put her programme in place if you feel it has worth can't you?

Ah but then would know about temperament testing if you were.............
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10-11-2011, 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear View Post
If you are a dog trainer you can then put her programme in place if you feel it has worth can't you?

Ah but then would know about temperament testing if you were.............
(lol) Thanks for that Smokey. I'm not a trainer, I'm just a relatively new owner who finds everything about dogs fascinating: breeds, behaviour, training, genetics, health, fluffiness, drooliness, smell......

Wish I didn't have to learn so much about legislation though
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10-11-2011, 03:58 PM
A good behaviourist can do an assessment on a dog, using perhaps a combination of stuffed dogs (amazingly accurate according to Sarah Whitehead, who specialises in aggression, and certainly having seen some of her videos I'd concur ) plus a very in depth questionnaire and maybe using their own dogs/stooge dogs etc.

I suspect this owner, is being given duff information by the person she's employed to help her Certainly, info given should also be about equipment and how to handle the dog under various circumstances when out and about, including information about the law relating to dog owners, so the owner is aware of any possible legal repercussions.

You might be able to engage her in conversation again and perhaps explain she needs a reputable behaviourist... if she is being fed rubbish about dominance, try to give her this info as it's from most recent understanding about it:

http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/why-not-dominance.php


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10-11-2011, 06:00 PM
A friend of my mum's had a good result with the dog warden this week. There's a woman who walks on the park with six dogs, five greyhounds and one grey x great dane. My mum's friend has a very unassuming quiet Lab and a JRT with heart problems. The Dane x charged across the park and bit the Lab, which resulted in a £180 bill for the owner. The owner of the aggressor was told and she told the other lady to F off. Anyway, mum's friend was in another park this week when greyhound woman turned up and the dogs attacked someone else's dog. She told a passing PCSO who got the woman's address and then passed them onto the dog warden. Upshot is she can claim the vet bit back from the other owner and she has also been told to keep them on leads and muzzled. There will also be a limit on how many dogs she can walk at a time. Good result.
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10-11-2011, 08:23 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I'm going to try to engineer a meeting with the dog owner and the witness to Lola's incident, who happens to be a dog owner and lives in the same building, so he has a vested interest. I've made a note of all the info and will attempt to pass it on.
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10-04-2012, 09:05 PM
Just an update to this thread.
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I'm going to try to engineer a meeting with the dog owner and the witness to Lola's incident, who happens to be a dog owner and lives in the same building, so he has a vested interest.
I spoke to the witness a number of times and he kept putting off the encounter until I realised it was never going to happen.

What did happen is that the Kerry Blue slipped her leash again on Friday and raced across the road to attack a small terrier. The damage was similar to Lola's - punctures and bruising - but this time to the dog's throat.

The terrier's owner contacted me asking for my support as she was going to the police with it and I gave her the police incident number from Lola's attack last October.

This seemed to make a difference because the police visited the dog's owner today to say that if her dog was not muzzled in public they would raise a case to have it removed from her. Anybody who sees it unmuzzled is to report it to the community police. They will be following up with the dog's trainer at Bark Busters.
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10-04-2012, 09:41 PM
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Just an update to this thread.


I spoke to the witness a number of times and he kept putting off the encounter until I realised it was never going to happen.

What did happen is that the Kerry Blue slipped her leash again on Friday and raced across the road to attack a small terrier. The damage was similar to Lola's - punctures and bruising - but this time to the dog's throat.

The terrier's owner contacted me asking for my support as she was going to the police with it and I gave her the police incident number from Lola's attack last October.

This seemed to make a difference because the police visited the dog's owner today to say that if her dog was not muzzled in public they would raise a case to have it removed from her. Anybody who sees it unmuzzled is to report it to the community police. They will be following up with the dog's trainer at Bark Busters.
One might have hoped the Bark Buster's trainer would have been insisting to the owner that the dog be muzzled to protect other dogs
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