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10-11-2011, 11:59 AM
Originally Posted by Mala View Post
Hi Smokey
I've looked at both of the links. The Dog Warden link states that they deal with enforcing dog related legislation. When I spoke to the representative for this area she said that they will "pick up stray dogs if not dangerous or aggressive and deal with lost dog requests".

Section 2 of the dogs act is only for bringing a civil case and the police have not the power to act. I confirmed this by speaking to a police officer. The event has been logged, but the police cannot become involved unless a person is harmed. I have previously been involved in a case under section 3(1) of the Dangerous Dogs act, where I was bitten and my dog was attacked and subsequently died. In that case they decided they could not be sure which dog had bitten me and I was never called as a witness.

The more recent incident has been logged with the police, but they then referred me on, first back to the local Dog Warden (who won't do anything) then to the RSPCA (!).

The police DO have the power to act and only very recently brought a civil case themselves against a dog which bit somebody in a garden!

The police have the power to act, it is just that they often need pushing to do it.

I personally know of a case where a dog was killed by another dog and was thus subjected to a control order via the magistrates court.

It was reported in the local press and wider.
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10-11-2011, 12:04 PM
Thanks for your post Kerry Owner.

I had already looked back on your previous posts which were very useful in showing your different experiences. I had spoken to the lady owner for quite a while the week before the attack about things like training. Her dog is absolutely fine with people, but not dogs. She said that the Bark Busters trainer had brought his own Boxer dogs to her home and her dog was OK with them, but not smaller dogs. The trainer also used a chain pillow, which I thought would probably only aggravate a dog that I thought at the time was probably fear-aggressive and lacked socialisation. I think we were both surprised by the single-mindedness of the dog when she attacked.

It's very hard to tell how far the dog can go with training or how committed the owner is to the work involved.
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10-11-2011, 12:11 PM
What is a chain pillow?
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10-11-2011, 12:17 PM
Bark Busters are awful. Some of the advice I've seen given out by their so called trainers is ridiculous and downright dangerous. She would be much better spending her money on a good behaviourist.
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10-11-2011, 12:22 PM
To the OP - Bark busters don’t have great reviews for training dogs. Also a friend a while back asked my opinion on them and I said don’t use them. From what I read about the Manchester one, they were into the dominance therapy, i,e, you have to be top dog, you walk through the door ways first etc, so if you are trying to help this person please use an APBC registered trainer.

HTH
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10-11-2011, 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Jugsmalone View Post
To the OP - Bark busters don’t have great reviews for training dogs. Also a friend a while back asked my opinion on them and I said don’t use them. From what I read about the Manchester one, they were into the dominance therapy, i,e, you have to be top dog, you walk through the door ways first etc, so if you are trying to help this person please use an APBC registered trainer.

HTH
APBC = behaviourists
APDT - trainers

Barkbusters are a franchise, 6 weeks training £25k and voila no previous experience necessary you are now qualified to advise others, you do not need to have ever owned a dog.
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10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
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What is a chain pillow?
Apparently it is a chain that is placed in a pillow which is throw down to distract the dog. Got this off Google and bark busters was associated with it. Never heard of this before though!
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10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
You are wrong on account of both the police and the dog warden.

A dog walker allowed his JRT's enough freedom ( encouragement ? ) to kill one of our stable cats on theirown property.

We reported him to the DW and police and both were very helpful in warning the owner to keep his dogs on leads in future and the call was logged officially which as SB suggested would enable us to take it further if it happens again.
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10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
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What is a chain pillow?
It's pieces of chain sewn into a fabric bag which is then dropped to make a noise and distract the dog. Like how some people put gravel into a can and shake it.

Not really my style.
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10-11-2011, 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear View Post
APBC = behaviourists
APDT - trainers

Barkbusters are a franchise, 6 weeks training £25k and voila no previous experience necessary you are now qualified to advise others, you do not need to have ever owned a dog.
I should have said behaviorist not trainer!
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