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25-07-2012, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher 
Yes I do feel that, because I know my dogs better than anyone else!!
Wolves, tigers, goldfish, mice, goats, primates, cats and horses (and men and children) have been trained with treats
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25-07-2012, 04:08 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
I don't think you can "phase out" the food-based reward, can you? With my boys, that would well p. them off, to the point where they would sulk and take the ball away. I am not sure that's fair.
You are not permitted to give food under test in the KCGCDS either.
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25-07-2012, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by rune
Really can't see the weight issue with titbits. I have never had a problem. In fact I slimmed Benj down from 36kgs to 22kgs and used treats for training! So please don't tell me titbits as rewards put weight on---owners not understanding how to manage their dogs food puts weight on dogs.
rune
There is no issue with using titbits re weight, especially if your dogs are on a learn to earn regime where all food comes via your hand or toys etc rather than just mindlessly put in a bowl for free.
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25-07-2012, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
Yes you do, but do you know how to train with treats?
Wolves, tigers, goldfish, mice, goats, primates, cats and horses (and men and children) have been trained with treats
I don't know why I am unable to make you understand ... I know my dogs better than anyone, and I know that I would let them down
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25-07-2012, 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
That's an odd way of looking at it.
There is no need to use food ALL the time.
My dogs do not work as well for praise because I do use it ALL the time, therefore their reactions are not as good if I am rewarding them with the boring, everyday, get it when I want, fuss.
They will do things, but not 'well'. (Probably well enough for general everyday stuff, but not the reaction time I want from them)
Removing a training aid will not 'Undo' all the work you have done so far....I am not going down the unmentionable route - but, if that were the case, you would have already undone all the work you have done by removing your other training aids.
Think about it logically
And of course there is no problem with the time between correct behaviour being marked and the reinforcer so it is never an issue.
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25-07-2012, 04:12 PM
I don't know why I am unable to make you understand ... I know my dogs better than anyone, and I know that I would let them down >>>
Hmmmmm......
rune
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25-07-2012, 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Jet&Copper
Gnasher, I think you need to call the news and inform them that you own the only dogs on the planet that are immune to the laws of learning!
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25-07-2012, 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
Yes you can, it is quite simple, we are not allowed to carry food or toys onto the competition field and yet our dogs perform extremely well there!
You are not permitted to give food under test in the KCGCDS either.
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