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22-08-2011, 02:29 PM
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u think? im not sure it could be its an unknown quantity imo ...isnt part of the characteristics whats make the dog what it is.. fiestyness of terriers boldness of csv etc...i guess u could try and 'dampen' these down but wouldn't u be left with a dog that just looks like a sbt etc but doesn't act like one
I agree and how do you change a breed trait and instinct ?
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22-08-2011, 02:40 PM
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breed crisis aside....there a fair few breeds that can have the potential to be da when mature...should they not be bred
POTENTIAL is just that though -- potential. Like you say there are plenty of breeds who potentially can take issue with other dogs. If you chose to own one of these breeds, you do so knowing full well how the dogs temperament could end up in the future.

Why would anyone want to ENCOURAGE these undesirable traits by breeding dog aggressive dogs? what purpose does having dog aggression serve now, in a country that is getting more and more anti dog by the year? it doesn't. No one can surely say that being dog aggressive 'defines' what a Staffie is? yes it was part of the breeds history and even with selective breeding will always be a potential risk, but I don't understand actively encouraging breeding for these traits in this day and age.
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22-08-2011, 02:42 PM
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u think? im not sure it could be its an unknown quantity imo ...isnt part of the characteristics whats make the dog what it is.. fiestyness of terriers boldness of csv etc...i guess u could try and 'dampen' these down but wouldn't u be left with a dog that just looks like a sbt etc but doesn't act like one

people often do know the potential but tend to ignore it or think they can be the one to change it ime...like sibes.

eta...i know what i mean
So dog aggression defines what a Staffie is? plenty of terrier breeds retain their feisty spirit while tolerating other dogs.
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22-08-2011, 02:43 PM
I know what you mean too but I do think that people can start to breed it out, lets face it, their 'characteristic' of DA is putting them and others at risk, I've had to split up a few fights of bully breeds, and I do trust them not to bite me in a fight more then my own dogs, but I don' believe that being da makes them what they are, and can actually hinder people seeing the true dog, and although theres the possiblity of any dog being DA I do think through careful breeding, and not encourging it by breeding from known DA dogs whatever there place in the ring, things can start to improve for everyone, and that maybe one day, even if we never see it, through careful breeding you can have better chance of having a staff that acts like a staff in everyway apart from their behaviour around other dogs, and maybe then the pricks will leave them alone, but while breeders are encourging the trait by breeding certain dogs who are DA, the stafford will more then likely always be in jeopardy for the same reasons.
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22-08-2011, 02:47 PM
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POTENTIAL is just that though -- potential. Like you say there are plenty of breeds who potentially can take issue with other dogs. If you chose to own one of these breeds, you do so knowing full well how the dogs temperament could end up in the future.


yip!

Why would anyone want to ENCOURAGE these undesirable traits by breeding dog aggressive dogs? what purpose does having dog aggression serve now, in a country that is getting more and more anti dog by the year? it doesn't. No one can surely say that being dog aggressive 'defines' what a Staffie is? yes it was part of the breeds history and even with selective breeding will always be a potential risk, but I don't understand actively encouraging breeding for these traits in this day and age.
nowhere did i say that!! of course i wouldnt advise it!
....but on the same token it doesnt mean the offspring wouldnt be anyway
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22-08-2011, 02:48 PM
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So dog aggression defines what a Staffie is? plenty of terrier breeds retain their feisty spirit while tolerating other dogs.
and plenty dont..its a lottery
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22-08-2011, 02:50 PM
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I know what you mean too but I do think that people can start to breed it out, lets face it, their 'characteristic' of DA is putting them and others at risk, I've had to split up a few fights of bully breeds, and I do trust them not to bite me in a fight more then my own dogs, but I don' believe that being da makes them what they are, and can actually hinder people seeing the true dog, and although theres the possiblity of any dog being DA I do think through careful breeding, and not encourging it by breeding from known DA dogs whatever there place in the ring, things can start to improve for everyone, and that maybe one day, even if we never see it, through careful breeding you can have better chance of having a staff that acts like a staff in everyway apart from their behaviour around other dogs, and maybe then the pricks will leave them alone, but while breeders are encourging the trait by breeding certain dogs who are DA, the stafford will more then likely always be in jeopardy for the same reasons.
main majority of them around here(a fair few!) are annoyed cos their dogs are not d.a ....good job one of Tupacs fav playthings a staffie type lol.
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22-08-2011, 02:51 PM
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Taken from the East Anglian SBT Club

It's good to socialise your pup as much as possible but I'm afraid all the socialisation in the world doesn't make any difference to the fact that it is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier! The dog will act according to it’s breed - they are wonderful with people, but very often HATE other dogs and other animals. This is something which is part of the breed's instinct and you will not be able to change. Having a Stafford often means that you take lonely walks -changing direction whenever you see any dogs in the distance. Don't be tempted to take notice of any 'behaviourists' who tell you that they can train a Stafford to be less dog aggressive - in saying that they are showing that they do not understand the nature of the breed.
How irrisponsible of them

Do those of you that are suggesting that we stop breeding from any Stafford that has ever shown signs of Dog aggression, realise that you have just eliminated about 90% of the genepool ?
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22-08-2011, 02:57 PM
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How irrisponsible of them

Do those of you that are suggesting that we stop breeding from any Stafford that has ever shown signs of Dog aggression, realise that you have just eliminated about 90% of the genepool ?
Blimey, so 90% of Staffies are dog aggressive? where did you get those statistics from?
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22-08-2011, 02:58 PM
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How irrisponsible of them

Do those of you that are suggesting that we stop breeding from any Stafford that has ever shown signs of Dog aggression, realise that you have just eliminated about 90% of the genepool ?


Even if that's the case, again I would ask: given how many thousands of Staffies are DYING because there are not enough places in rescues and new homes to take them in, would that be a terrible thing?

Maybe a 'break' from breeding Staffies would be a good thing UNTIL the rescue crisis has calmed down?

And I again agree with LABRADORK: why on earth would you want to deliberately and consciously breed from dogs if you know full well they are dog aggressive?
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