Simple straw poll. The number of trainers and organisations supporting shock collar training and the number supporting R+. On a search through Yahoo I've only found 2 R+ trainers and one of them conceeded shock collars were an option. Didn't count the shock collar supporters, I kept going to find the R+ supporters, even had to delve into a few message boards where the shock collars were by far the preferred method. Set the criteria and I'll go count them for you...first 10 pages of Google?

I am confident most will after reading your posts in this thread.

I believe the reply was something along the lines of it being top secret and to divulge any info he would need your name, address and a copy of your passport - might be worth adding what you added for breakfast this morning too, just to be sure you meet the criteria for the official secrets acts to be broken

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ok Adam, I will take your evasion and silence to mean you either haven't taken part in a study at all or you haven't submitted videos which give a true picture of the way you and your mentor use e collars.

Nope, I guess you're right. I must be imagining it

I agree with you LS x x
I think you are in the majority, only one, or maybe two don't agree.

What search criteria did you use?

Nope - I wanted %'s of successes and failures from both sides and what had made you decide the e collar route was the safest.

That would need to include the number of dogs trained with positives that have survived and the ones who have been lost to snake bites, then the ones trained with e-collars and how many have been lost.

But I do not think you will be able to do that....you will go by what you can read..who has the best website - and who speaks the loudest about it.

Thank you. And I know you are ace with dogs!

Next time I mess up, I shall tell the dogs I am "Ace with Dogs",