Depends on how much of a problem it is doesnt it. Foxes are not people so there is absolutely no comparison.

When was that then?

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"Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. *Of the entire brood, he is the one who possesses malice.
He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong, proves his moral inferiority to any creature that can not."
Mark Twain

theres nothing wrong with lamping rabbits. if the rabbits overpopulate they become pests, they begin to run out of food and space, they catch diseases easier and it spreads quicker. its just effective animal management. doesnt matter if borderdawn enjoys doing it, it has to be done. its pest control.

Whats your point, as I said previously its an opinion, we all have them!

Musky, I am sorry that you feel like this about your thread. For what it is worth, I think you have done well keeping your girls so safe over the years and I understand how devastated you must be to lose your girl in this way.

I also don't see why Gnasher is getting so much stick on this thread, I know that it is to do with e-collars (and I will say that I do totally disagree with them) but I thought Dogsey guidelines stated we shouldn't be bringing other threads into other threads? I know that many chicken keepers (myself included) use electric fencing to protect their birds, why shouldn't it be suggested? As Steve has mentioned, badgers are a predator that pose a really high risk to hens because of their physical strength. My Dad lives very rurally and I have seen a badger in his garden at night. We have a spare coop and run at his for when we go away and I have a double row of electric fencing round the run for that reason.

As Moobli mentioned, foxes are by no means the only predator to a hen. An friend of a friend told me that her dad's hens had been killed one night by a fox that had got into the coop through a ventilation gap a couple of inches big and removed the birds heads. That would strongly suggest to me it was a stoat or other mustelid but she just assumed it would have been a fox.

Sadly there is no 100% way to protect your hens, peeing round the coop may make a fox move on to another garden which doesn't smell of pee, electric fencing may not be set up correctly, batteries can fail in fox watches, coop maintenance can go un-noticed and don't forget airborne attacks from birds of prey.... All we can do is our best and try and learn from mistakes. If we don't try and establish how a fox (or other predator) got to our birds and just shoot the fox, sooner or later there will be another fox and he / she will also be able to get to the birds.


Well, not publicly we don't

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Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Foxes are not people so there is absolutely no comparison.

The above quote is the "point"

Like I said, an opinion. The point means zip to me VB. Foxes need to be controlled, people need to stop moaning when their pets get killed by them. People have made urban Foxes what they are. If a pest is a problem, deal with it.

I agree! The poor fox is only trying to survive! It is sad the chickens were taken, but the fox doesn't understand that they are someone's pets... they are fair game to a fox!

That is plain nasty! You don't need to read the thread, and there is no need to post like that just coz the person doesn't agree with killing the fox! (who it may not have even been!)

You said it, it is people who encouraged (or forced in most cases) foxes into urban areas. They have few places to go, yet we see them as 'pests', maybe people just shouldn't have taken over every corner of the globe!

If a pet of mine was taken by a fox, i wouldn't blame the fox for trying to survive, i would blame myself for not protecting them enough.

I hate this superior attitude that some people have, we can do anything and kill anything but god forbid another animal actually tries to survive...

They are sentient beings. And us, as the ruling and supposedly most intelligent, species on the planet have a duty to protect and do right by it and all it's in habitants.