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kammi_sparky123
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22-08-2011, 09:06 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
I take it you`re a breeder?
Which is sad because you seem to believe that SBTs are `special` dogs unlike all others in that they are mostly pre-programmed to fight.
In a period when most SBT enthusiasts are desperately trying to show these little dogs are sadly maligned and are happy family pets, you`ve just put the breed back 10 years.
Any dog can be made aggressive through poor management or deliberate shaping. All breeds can be raised to be accepting and obedient.
I suggest you read up on modern dog behaviour theory and learn how to socialise and train your dogs.
Totally agree, especially the last line.
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22-08-2011, 09:07 AM
'Oop north the dogs trust are currently offering free dog neutering vouchers if you own a 'status' dog breed, staffie, akita, mastiff etc etc, lets hope it begins to make a change and gets rolled out over the rest of the uk to stop such dimwits producing whim litters leading more dogs to their death in pounds

But people like these who knowingly breed their pets, haven't a clue, don't really care, think it's nice for their female to have one litter, just want to make a few quid really need to be...... grr!

Take a visit to a local pound, SEE the effects of such breeding, even more, I dare you to work in one for a day THEN you'll change your mind.
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22-08-2011, 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
I take it you`re a breeder?
Which is sad because you seem to believe that SBTs are `special` dogs unlike all others in that they are mostly pre-programmed to fight.
In a period when most SBT enthusiasts are desperately trying to show these little dogs are sadly maligned and are happy family pets, you`ve just put the breed back 10 years.
Any dog can be made aggressive through poor management or deliberate shaping. All breeds can be raised to be accepting and obedient.
I suggest you read up on modern dog behaviour theory and learn how to socialise and train your dogs.
Oh dear,

First and foremost i am a dog owner, yes i own an Affix and yes i have bred, but i wouldn't class myself as a "breeder".

My dogs are Happy family pets, they just do not have a tolerance for other dogs. We have 2 children one who is nearly 13 and the other who is nealry 4. Both of which have been brought up around Staffords. So to suggest that my dogs are any thing other than family pets is a little of the mark. Putting the breed back 10 years ? Seriously ?

I would happily recommed a Stafford to a family with children, but i would also make sure that i explained that there is the potential that this breed can become dog aggressive. This does not in any way mean that the dog can not be a fantastic family pet.

Owning a Stafford without knowing and being fully aware of what they are capable of is dangerous. Too many people buy or rescue Staffords and are oblivious to the fact that they can be dog aggressive. It does not mean that the owner has necessarily done anything wrong or that there is anything wrong with their dog, it's just that "potential" is there.

I do not need a book, thankyou anyway.
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22-08-2011, 09:34 AM
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Can anyone who has a problem with breeding from a dog aggressive Stafford please tell me why ? It is a Stafford ! From what has been said the dog is not human aggressive. What is the problem ?
I feel strongly enough about this irresponsible comment that I'm going to make my first post on here. What's the problem? Well, some years ago my other half took his mother's dogs out and her elderly, blind, almost toothless schipperke was grabbed and mauled by a Stafford right outside his car. Jon had to prise the Stafford’s jaws open to make it let go, and was very lucky not to be bitten himself. But dog aggressive Staffords aren't a problem... right?

When we decided to have our own dog, I would have liked a Stafford. I don't like the "status dog" reputation they have, but I love the breed and wanted to do what I could to help the massive number of these poor dogs who are in need of decent homes. Jon would not hear of it, and I suppose that's not surprising really.

Any Stafford owner who decides to breed from the family pet when so many of the breed are in dire straits is a fool. Breeding from a Stafford with an uncertain temperament? Don't even get me started...
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22-08-2011, 09:38 AM
Originally Posted by Craig & Lorna View Post
First and foremost i am a dog owner, yes i own an Affix and yes i have bred, but i wouldn't class myself as a "breeder".
So whats your defination of a breeder???
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22-08-2011, 09:38 AM
So as I have a stafford who isnt dog agressive, and has never shown dog agressive tendancies - shes not a proper stafford and doesnt have the 'true stafford personality'?
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22-08-2011, 09:39 AM
Originally Posted by coventrycatfish View Post
I feel strongly enough about this irresponsible comment that I'm going to make my first post on here. What's the problem? Well, some years ago my other half took his mother's dogs out and her elderly, blind, almost toothless schipperke was grabbed and mauled by a Stafford right outside his car. Jon had to prise the Stafford’s jaws open to make it let go, and was very lucky not to be bitten himself. But dog aggressive Staffords aren't a problem... right?

When we decided to have our own dog, I would have liked a Stafford. I don't like the "status dog" reputation they have, but I love the breed and wanted to do what I could to help the massive number of these poor dogs who are in need of decent homes. Jon would not hear of it, and I suppose that's not surprising really.

Any Stafford owner who decides to breed from the family pet when so many of the breed are in dire straits is a fool. Breeding from a Stafford with an uncertain temperament? Don't even get me started...
Good first post I agree!
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22-08-2011, 09:40 AM
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So as I have a stafford who isnt dog agressive, and has never shown dog agressive tendancies - shes not a proper stafford?
Apparently not
That or maybe she is broken?

Is the aim here then to try and make sure ALL staffies are dog aggressive?

I am now a bit confused as to why that is okay?
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22-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Can anyone who has a problem with breeding from a dog aggressive Stafford please tell me why ? It is a Stafford ! From what has been said the dog is not human aggressive. What is the problem ?



NO dog aggressive dog should be bred from, no matter what the breed!! Dogs should only be bred (if they have to, considering the amount of dogs currently in rescues all over the country!!) from parents with both good health and temperament.

It really, really annoys me when I see all these people breeding Staffies when so many are getting pts on a daily basis! Obviously all these people are thinking about is the money they will get from the pups!
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22-08-2011, 09:45 AM
My staffie is not dog aggressive but if sorely provoked will not back down or have any intention of coming out on the losing side in a scuffle. He will never start a fight but boy would he finish one, he has however learnt to be very tolerant and restrained even when provoked in the extreme. It takes time, patience and commitment not to mention a dollop of luck. He lives in a multidog household so has had to learn. To be fair to him though he is the most welcoming of the lot to any new dog coming in to the home whether temporary or permanent.
I do think people need to be aware how they can kick off and be extremely difficult to seperate once in fight mode. It's irresponsible to believe otherwise.
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