Who who....lol

Totally agree.

I'd love a dog from that company, wonder how much one would cost, regardless I expect it would be well out of my price range.

I was told by someone who had a PP dog not to train them too young, as they were warned of that and didnt wait until one dog was over 18 months and thought that may be the reason the dog was a liability. I was also told that its not like having a pet as if you take that dog into a public place and it percieves a threat - a stranger to the dog pats you on the back, say - that dog will want to act, so you are constantly having to be aware of the dog etc yourself, unlike having a family pet that you can take to the beer garden and relax around - your basically 'on duty' too. So they may ease your mind in a way but they also can heap a lot of extra responsability onto you.


My dog is not a PP dog but has got rid of a potential burglar, someone watching me from a doorway and 'unwanted attention' as well as someone in the garden at 11pm. Without any PP or Watch dog training

Even though no longer a member here he could still see posts, so no.... I won't give him away, that wasn't why he joined us. I may not even be right in my judgement.

I used to work for media companies in the West End of London... meeting and greeting famous people was my job, so I respect that part of it; if you are a prominent figure, it's nice to be anonymous sometimes and/or find someone who will talk to you as a normal person.

..... but isnt that the case if you have a 'reactive' breed anyway?
..isnt trained to a certain extent better,.. i dont mean a full on.bought for protection,trained before you got dog...i mean like working a dog in aspects that are natural to them...

I am the same with posh and becks ...lol

Well, if you think of my dog doing all that anyway, as a pet. Imagine the work involved in keeping him 'in check' if I was to 'exaggerate' maybe thats not the right word..em, develop and encourage his intuitions even further.....I'm in no way against PP dogs in the right hands btw (just wanted people to know that)

Yes, I think the reason my dog has managed all that 'as a pet' is the fact that he is of a breed that was bred specifically to protect their handler. I think the reason I feel safe about him not harming anyone without reason is because he was so heavily socialised in so many situations, not that I should train him in PP, if you see what I mean.

I'm actually interested in reading about PP now as it is what the Dobe was bred for. It was the breed that was not adapted, for example from herding and then the guarding instinct used....but they were bred for the purpose of guarding their handler (originally). I do think for the amount of Dobe pups in the UK, how many are from working lines? or regardless of pedigree, bred from dogs with the right temprement? So perhaps many dobe owners wouldnt be as lucky as I have been? (I mean in temprement) When my dog was just a young pup it was more a matter of taking out the guard than putting in, which I think is great but then in the wrong hands, I suppose thats the 'dangerous dog' if you know what I mean, so I suppose you could say he is trained but unlike a dog trained in PP he has not been trained to physically 'hold' a 'threat' on command.

Work in something natural to them... well, theres Sch, WT, PP.....I think it would depend on the dog and the trainer. If a Dobe has the temprement and enjoys any of these then go for it, it can only be a good thing! (in the right hands and any other breed for that matter)

A good dobe temprement should be protective not fear reactive to someone approaching and also shouldnt be allowed to be over protective if it is to live and socialise as a family pet would IMHO. I see what you mean but I can be in family company and have someone hug me and it aggitates the dog slightly (more curious, watchful etc) but I can be in that situation and know that he wont suddenly think Im being attacked and 'react' but also he will get a stranger away from me that touches me in public without a bite or 'hold' If he was a PP dog, I would have to be pretty fast off the mark if a stranger just patted me on the back, I'm not sure if Im explaining well...

Any breed or dog that is a natural 'guard' with a good solid temprement I think will enjoy 'doing what comes naturally' but do I think anyone that owns a GSD, Rott, Dobe etc should start training in PP - no.
a PP dog is great but isnt something to enter into lightly IMO and from what I have heard from someone who has not only owned but trained in PP. Also, Sch - the reward is a sleeve, when they have that sleeve its over, a PP dog is taught to 'hold' or 'detain' if you like.

Was looking into purchasing a PP dog just a few days ago after an attempted break in of my home on Wednesday! Looked at A1K9 weren't too keen on their dogs (don't know why!) but did come across someone else who has PP dogs for sale with over 20 years experience of training them, their dogs cost about as much as you're pedigree KC Bulldog, so not bad at all, that's for a level three PP pre trained dog. You also have to do a handler course before purchasing said dog, then do refresher courses.

They will also train one of you're own dogs if you wish, my lot would be useless though, as they we're on Wednesday!

Interesting to see how thread is panning out.

There is a use in life for pp dogs - they are NOT 'teeth on a leash' and are more often that not part of the family.

A lot of the time, if the dog is well trained, no-one knows it's role - unless they are an agressor and asking for trouble.

There are a couple of folks on here who do have them. As long as you maintain their training on a regular basis to keep them up to scratch and you as their owner up to date on handling and commands then you have a very powerful confidence giver in your dog. If you don't - then you have just got an extrmely expensive pet.

To me, there is no point sending your dog away to get trained - you need trained alongside it, so you know what to expect. A good company will carry out this handover ensuring you know what you are doing before they let you take one of their dogs.

Unfortunately there are scumbags out there professing to sell pp dogs and they are actually dogs with problems and that have bitten children etc - can't put their website but safe to say - anyone wanting a pp dog should do their homework thoroughly and visit the establishment before even thinking of purchasing a dog.

What dogs do you have there now nicci??