Haha, yes we are. You have a good night. In the end, I don't wish to argue with you and I have no qualms about positive training, I just like to open my mind and let people train their dogs how they want. So long as the dog is a good dog and he's not vicious, withdrawn, or out of control, I don't make it a point to question how the person trained the dog.

Both you and I know that beating dogs into submission, showing nothing but anger, and trying to scare a dog into obeying ultimately doesn't work, so imo, most truly well behaved dogs are treated kindly. At least for the most part.

there you are folks ... from the mouth of a babe of just 25! A lot of wisdom and tolerance in that young head!

There is always more than 1 way to skin a cat ... horrible metaphore ... no-one should be subjected to Gestapo-like cross-questioning just because someone has said a particular type of training did not work for my dog.

excellent post my young friend!!

Hello, and thanks for your support. Myrsky is fine we checked, we went out few hours later and he was fine, not scared.Anyway we've got an appointment tomorrow at the vet for his vaccines and a check. Then we will introduce him to nice dogs (some dogs in our area are kind and well behaved) there is even a German sheperd puppy in our neighbourhood. The problem we do have is that we live in finland but don't speak finish (moved here 3 month ago) so its hard to talk to owners about their responsibilities. But I think the owner felt sorry and he saw I was pretty upset.

If you want to see statistics about dog attacks, deaths and maiming in the US and Canada from Sept 1982 - June 31 2012 go to .....

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog....d+2012.pdf

Hope it works!

As for grain free food ... originally they were developed for dogs with allergies to grain. Shar-Pei are a good example of a breed which can't tolerate grain or many of the additives that are present in commercially produced dog food. They not only cause skin problems but have been found to cause cancer and kidney problems. Mine are fed on a home cooked diet and only in an emergency are they given grain free kibble.

Chloesmum , Thank you for the link .
I couldnt open it , sometimes links get shortend when cutting and pasting. perhaps could you give me the full name title of the PDF and I can google it.

There is an Insert Link symbol at the top , you could use that . I dont how to use them myself.

Are you saying that absolutely no Shar Pei dogs can tolerate grains? That surely cannot be true. There was an entire litter of them at the shelter and they feed nothing but Pro Plan there and the puppies seemed fine. They might have been mixed, but they sure looked like Shar Peis. I'm sure not every Shar Pei owner feeds grain free and I doubt all the dogs suffer because of it.

Honestly, dogs as genetically altered and unnaturally built as Shar Peis do seem like the types of dogs to have intolerance to things. I could go into how breeding unnaturally built dogs such as bulldogs etc. is worse imo than grain inclusive food, but this is not the place for that.

BARF stands for Biologically Appropriate Raw Feeding. I disagree with that title quite a lot because frankly, many BARF feeders give their dogs as many veggies as they give their rabbits. Dogs are carnivores, not omnivores. As for the dogs supposedly eating the stomach contents first, there is research against this that show them discarding these innards, so who knows?

In any case, even if I cannot prove there has been any real improvement to the health or temperament of dogs after the introduction of new foods and new kinds of training, there is no solid evidence that it exists and I'm not the one claiming it is better when there isn't any real proof of that. I'm not saying it's not better, either.

Please to hear Myrsky is fine.
Finnish is a dificult language to pick ,
I spent sometime back packing in France years ago and didnt speak much French , i had some hilarious moments and soon picked up the meaning of thin gs .

Here is a link from a statistic site...

http://dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-stati...ite-statistics

This is just America, though. It states that dog bites have dramatically risen since the 80s. You can attribute that to whatever you like, but it seems that for some reason, these numbers are just climbing.

It does say towards the bottom that numbers have greatly risen in great Britain, as well... but it's mostly an American article.

Sorry about that Dibby ... I always seem to have difficulty posting and opening links .... I'll try again, but in case it doesn't work the data is on the dogsbite.org website under "dog attack and maimings US & Canada.

You can also try ..

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-atta...ifton-2012,pdf

And now I must dash off to find out why my Pei is barking at the gate ....

A solid note. Dogsbite.org is a wicked website that promotes and supports the B.S.L. and banning and euthanasia of pit bull types in America. The site is privately owned by one entity and has been known to skewer statistics to favor their own stance. I advise anybody to exercise caution before believing anything on that site. The United States CDC is a more reliable source for this information.