Thanks for this info Mini - our vets use Procyon, who also claim immunity from the 'big three' for at least three years (some now state 4).

I believe it is up to the puppy owners whether to vaccine or not, but TBH, I would NOT put my pup at risk, if there was even only a remote chance of him getting a deadly disease, I love him too much to put his life at risk... I also would NOT want him to mix with an unvaccinated pup, yes my boy would be protected... but I still wouldn't take the chance... Sorry but unless there is a medical reason not to vaccinate, then IMHO then all pups should be jabbed....

We have two pups with parvo in hospital this weekend. We had a total of nine last week. With a 50/50 chance of survival with treatment, those aren't odds I would take with my puppy or anyone else's either. I would not create a gathering place for puppies, such as a class setting, and invite puppies into it who are unvaccinated. Pet owners expect that I, as an animal health professional, would not knowingly create a situation that would put their beloved pet at risk. Inviting tiny puppies with no vaccines to play together in a place where lots of dogs have come and gone is irresponsible. Its reckless disregard for the health and well being of the clients pets. Yes, those unvaccinated pets could well encounter disease out and about on their own BUT, as I said, as a professional, people trust you to provide a safe enviornment, and by allowing unvaccinated puppies in, you have deliberately and recklessly put those puppies at risk for contracting a horrible disease.
If I were looking for a professional to deal with my dog, and I saw how reckless this professional was being with someone else's dog, by allowing them in class without vaccines, then I would also have nothing more to do with that professional. I would also doubt his credibility as a professional.

Well I have the very first vaccs (allowed out on the floor after the second) and then the 3 yearly Vaccs. dont' have the KC nasal spray, as it can do more damage and as there are so many stains, in my experience it's not worth it. MY boy had it as a pup, then caught KC twice !!

Now my pups were vaccinated, although some pups take no benefit from the vaccine, because if their mothers immunity is still protecting them, it counteracts against the vaccine, meaning that when the mothers immunnity runs out (10-12 weeks old) the pup isn't protected.

Slightly off topic but, as for cats, my two old cats, who lived to the ages of 22 and 20, were never vaccinated in their lives and only ever had 1 visit each to the vet to be speyed

those poor pups, I hope they recover well.

Totally agree with everything you have said xx

Can I ask the age of these puppies and breed if you have the info?

Also I am not sure how it is elsewhere but the vets here have puppy parties for young dogs BEFORE they are vaccinated. In the vets office.... which to my mind is like a hospital.

Ramble: sorry I misread your post. I am not comparing you and I, but I am also not talking rubbish. I care deeply about my pup and dogs, and it has taken alot of energy, time and stress to make the desicion I made.

Six were german shorthaired pointer mixes, all littermates, none of them survived, they were 9 weeks old

One was a german shepherd mix, she was 12-14 weeks old, she passed away this morning.

The remaining is a min pin mix, aged 4 months. She is doing well.

thats so sad .............my neighbour lost his Jack russell last month she died and so has 4 of her litter mates from where he bought her from

How very sad.

RIP puppies x

I have to say I wouldn't dream of risking my pup by not vaccinating and certainly wouldn't allow it anywhere near a training school that allowed unvaccinated pups to attend. I mean why risk it?

Isla wasn't allowed on the ground until 1 week after her 2nd vacc, but we still managed to socialise her well. Carrying can be an issue with any breed medium sized and up, but even so why not follow the vacc rules and be creative?

Have people visit your house with other vaccinated dogs, take the pup out in the car, take it to peoples houses even if they don't have dogs.

I really can't see how risking the pups health could be more important than socialisation, when there are so many ways round the latter?

I'll never forget a poor dog I witnessed die of Parvo when I spent 2 weeks at a vets for work experience. The suffering that dog went through was horrific. It's true that vaccines aren't fool proof, but why turn down something that will, more than likely, decrease you dogs chances of catching and dying from such horrific diseases?

The benefits of vaccinating far outweigh the risks IMO.

I think you'll find most of those puppy parties are for pups AFTER their first jabe..I wouldn't go to one of them either though.
As Rips said so well....parvo is an awful disease and is just not worth taking the risk with. Cosmo is now beginiing to weigh a ton, but he is happy in any heavy traffic situation at the ripe old age of 9 weeks because he gets carried around, he travels well in the car and has met lots of different types of people (including one carrying a brolly).He is also fearless around daleks but thats another story!!!!
Puppies can be well socilaised AND adhere to vacination advice given by vets, look at Guide Dogs, Canine Partners, Dogs for the Disabled, Hearing Dogs, Support Dogs, Police Dogs...the list is endless. All fowllow the vaccine advice given by vets and all amongst the most well socialised dogs you can find...