Guy sounds nuts

Clearly the answer to my question is no then.

And there was me thinking you might actually be interested

Are you going to answer the question or dance round it?

He is!

Like I said, he finds it perfectly acceptable to use a shock collar on puppies as young as 10 weeks old for your basic obedience exercises. He's completely deluded.

Becomes very rude and argumentative if you challenge his knowledge and experiences.

Wow, that's ridiculous!

Sounds more like a bully than a dog trainer to be recommended !

He even says he one round a Yorkie's stomach because the collar was too big to go round the neck.

Bully and an idiot ? not a good combination when dealing with another sentient being !

OMG

You do wonder where the RSPCA should step in with electric shock collars. Surely it's just plain cruelty and they don't need a law to take action....or am I starting another debate.

Gnasher seems to have bowed out this debate now since I challenged her on her definition of punishment and why she thinks applying pain is not a punishment in the form of an electric shock applied to the neck.

But I'm interested to hear from a user what their sense of logic is, if indeed they have one?

Or do users, similar to Gnasher, think they have no alternates. I don't mean to pick on Gnasher, but it's clear from her plans with her Black Lab encounter that her handling skills are limited to CC. When I mentioned BAT and LAT there was no response at all, so are users simply inexperienced / poor / ignorant or do they simply not care?

Good grief! Well that rather adds weight to my saying earlier that if these collars were banned - anyone that determined to inflict pain on a dog to 'train' it would probably try to get their hands on a cattle prod to use instead.

Makes me feel sick thinking about someone doing that - sounds more like sadistic details from an animal cruelty court case.