One more time. Why do you keep asking when I have explained a number of times they don't need you bothering them and I am protecting them from you. You just don't get it.

I am sure any reputable guide dog school would be interested to know the type of things you are posting all over the internet about the standard of guide dog training in the USA . The fact that you insist on keeping the name secret tells us a great deal.

You just keep telling the little voices in your head that.

Minihaha and Labradork, you might as well bang your head against a brickwall rather than trying to get an answer out of labman or indeed educate him into how to be a good dog owner.. according to him on another thread no one knows more about dogs than him

Taken from this thread http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?p=1867930

LOL. i heard exactly the same line recently when someone else was asked to name their connections for a similar reason.

funny that

Labman I asked if you would send a private PM to me naming the organisation you represent and whose training methods you repeatedly quote on the forums. I appreciate your wanting to retain your own anonymity however if I was as proud as you appear to be of the methods you use and the organisation which entrusts you with the care of so many puppies I would be only to pleased to name them.

I was under the impression that the whole purpose of guide dog puppies being put into homes with carers was to allow the puppies to be socialised and to receive a degree of training, not for them to be shut in a crate from 7 weeks of age morning/afternoon/night on a floor which is not even solid, without any bedding and deprived of food and water while their carers go off to work.

As an ordinary pet owner and member here I am very concerned that you a representative of a canine organisation should be using and promoting such outdated training methods some of which are contrary to those recommended by the Humane Society of the USA and the Association of Pet Dog Trainers (the latter you actually post links to in some of your posts although you tell us you do not subscribe to their methods of positive reinforcement training ).
I also note in one of your posts a list of books which you say are recommended reading by your organisation. The list contains books teaching positive reinforcement methods, methods your profile states you do not use .

If one organisation treats puppies with careless disregard it reflects badly on the rest.
If I was the person in charge of an organisation responsible for the welfare of dogs I would hope members of the public would inform me if a representative belonging to a similar organisation was promoting outdated and what many here would consider to be cruel methods of training and care.
Therefore as a concerned member of the public with animal welfare interests I will be contacting various organisations in a number of countries to express my concerns .

Apart from the obvious that has already been pointed out (regarding the manner in which Labman crates puppies/dogs and the amount of time that they are crated), I despair at the blanket approach Labman adopts. He promotes this 'method' to everyone, mostly with absolutely no idea of the circumstances of each indivudual dog. How thoroughly irresponsible.

For instance, it could be very dangerous to leave my dog crated alone because he is a severe epileptic. If he were to have a cluster of fits while trapped in a crate, he would be at risk of injury from paws/jaws/claws/teeth becoming trapped between the bars. There would be no water available for him to drink, meaning that he would quickly become dehydrated (a common cause for the epileptic dog to have to be hospitalised on a drip), no quick snack for him to eat after the fit when he is ravenous and his energy levels depleted and he would tear himself raw during the post-ictal period, where the need to pace around is so overwhelming that he would crash around within the confines of the crate.

I know this for a fact because we did get a crate, hoping it would help during the post-ictal period. Naturally, when he did have a fit in the crate, we had not left him alone in the crate, nor had we shut him in, so we were able to get him out to safety - even though this meant crawling in there with him and getting scratched by his flailing paws. And he did injure himself during the post-ictal period but again, we were there to help him out.

Young puppies, having been removed from mother and litter mates can be anxious for a while and placed in a stark, unfurnished crate could pant, jump up at the mesh, cry and become dehydrated when there is no water to drink. If you are away for 5 hours, how can you possibly know just how dehydrated that puppy has become?

Labman - if you intend to continue to push yourself as a major expert in all things dog, it is incumbent upon you to advise responsibly.

Exactly! I have raised or am raising 4 puppies and they have all been raised differently, partly because they are individuals, and partly because I am learning all the time. I was quite negative in my training approach when I had my first dog, I now know better and adopt more postive approaches. When you stop learning you stop improving. You may think you know better than everyone else, but there is always more to learn and always ways to improve what you are doing.