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24-02-2010, 03:26 PM
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With eight kids she is gonna get about £170 a week, id say that would just about cover her food bill, let alone Gas electric, clothing etc, so put in perspective it doesnt go far at all and is not much of a lure to have 8 kids to get free cash.[/QUOTE]

Well perhaps they should have thought about the financial implications of having 8 kids then !!!! thats not the Government/tax payers responsibility
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24-02-2010, 03:28 PM
I really don't think this thread should have ever become about asylum seekers as is irrelevant to the story imo.

I do however agree with Tink and get fed up with the generalist views on asylum seekers. I have issue with those individuals who are taking liberties but my main gripe is the government for allowing that to happen int he first place, not with asylum seekers as a whole.

I consider myself privileged to live in a country that is able to offer so much help and support to those in need.
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24-02-2010, 03:30 PM
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I think the problem with asylum seekers is entirely relevant to this case, I agree that there should be a hold on us accepting any more into our country until we manage to sort out the mess we're in.

I don't disagree with child benefit, I'm not a bit fan of housing benefit etc - we already have council estates, I don't think that the rest of the country living in our own moderately sized houses should have to contribute in anyway to this disgusting excuse for "benefits" for this woman! Maybe we should all quit our jobs and have loads of babies - then what?? Why should the rest of Britain have to pay for people who cheat the system on a regular basis??

I have no problem with working tax credits because its a top up of someone who is working's salary, but I don't think that anyone who is not working should get all that they do! Of course this woman has a million kids, how else can she avoid working for forever?? Why don't the government stop giving hand outs and offer free or cheaper childcare for families and single parents so that the parents can go back to working at least part time to contribute towards their own incomes in some way and have the rest topped up.

PS. Child benefit should be for the children yes, thats not always the case....take one look at Jeremy Kyle - all those shiny white trainers didn't grow on trees!
No we shouldnt have to pay for others who cheat the system, your right, but we cant legislate for all because of a minority. This needs to be tackled directly and instead of us all putting our energies into moaning about it, maybe we could all get out there and support others in the community,who maybe have got caught up in the cycle of benefit reliance etc, but we have to stop tarring everyone with the same brush, as my own exp is that of hardworking people.

The government do offer free childcare along side the tax credits for all children between the age of 3 and 5, just one of the many examples of the good this labour government has done for the under 5's and as in my earlier post i have seen this workking for parents who were able to get back into work.
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24-02-2010, 03:32 PM
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In that case, i hope as a country were not ever in that position!

Just to add on a personal note, My partners grandmother is a polish asylum seeker from the 2nd world war, my son would not be here today if it were not for being given refuge by this country plus several other countries. Not for their kindness she herself would have died as her family did having stayed in Poland, her mother died from the stress of it all in India. So as you can clearly see Asylum seekers are exactly that, here for Asylum from persecution not for handouts, although many of our own laws mean that they often Have to have benefits as they are not allowed to work for a certain amount of time

Obviously we know the historial implications of WW2 and she was genuine, no problem with genuine asylum seekers but there are a lot here and waiting to get here who are not. They bypass various other countries to get here, if they are that desperate they would go to the nearest one.
As i said in previous post, most seem to be young Afghan men which i'd say is a bit ironic seeing as our young men are in their country fighting their war.
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24-02-2010, 03:32 PM
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Well perhaps they should have thought about the financial implications of having 8 kids then !!!!
Im positive they have, but this is not a mean tested benefit its for everyone. I was just pointing out its actually not a lot of money and not a lure to get pregnant!
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24-02-2010, 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by greyhoundk View Post
Obviously we know the historial implications of WW2 and she was genuine, no problem with genuine asylum seekers but there are a lot here and waiting to get here who are not. They bypass various other countries to get here, if they are that desperate they would go to the nearest one.
As i said in previous post, most seem to be young Afghan men which i'd say is a bit ironic seeing as our young men are in their country fighting their war.
Sorry dude, not picking on you but..

..define a ''genuine'' asylum seeker?
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24-02-2010, 03:39 PM
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Obviously we know the historial implications of WW2 and she was genuine, no problem with genuine asylum seekers but there are a lot here and waiting to get here who are not. They bypass various other countries to get here, if they are that desperate they would go to the nearest one.
As i said in previous post, most seem to be young Afghan men which i'd say is a bit ironic seeing as our young men are in their country fighting their war.
Are you sure you mean Asylum seekers and not migrant immigrants?

As for Afghani men, they will have lived through war for all of their lives, wars not of their choice or making.
If i was in their position i would also not want to be there.
Soldiers make a career choice and can leave the army if they no longer want to serve.
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24-02-2010, 03:42 PM
Pidge i think my post explains that - people who don't bypass several other countries to get here because they know they get benefits here. If someone has a genuine reason, i.e their life is in mortal danger then thats different.

I have witnessed "foreigners" if thats PC talk goading others for having to work for a living whilst they live off benefits.
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24-02-2010, 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv View Post
Are you sure you mean Asylum seekers and not migrant immigrants?

As for Afghani men, they will have lived through war for all of their lives, wars not of their choice or making.
If i was in their position i would also not want to be there.
Soldiers make a career choice and can leave the army if they no longer want to serve.
Sorry they should be fighting for their country, my bgrandfather fought in WW2, he was at the Battle of Casino, good job he didn't hop it when the going got tough, where would Poland be ?

I expect British troops would be charmed !!!

Ive voiced my opinion and you are entitled to yours so lets agree to disagree
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24-02-2010, 03:53 PM
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Sorry they should be fighting for their country, my bgrandfather fought in WW2, he was at the Battle of Casino, good job he didn't hop it when the going got tough, where would Poland be ?

I expect British troops would be charmed !!!

Ive voiced my opinion and you are entitled to yours so lets agree to disagree
My Grandfather was there too, he lost all his friends there and talked very little of it. Interesting coinsidense, we are just starting to research his journey in the war...sorry i know this is totally off topic
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