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30-11-2012, 05:15 PM
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I would never say ALL just I would never say NEVER when talking about dogs, all dogs. There are always exceptions just as there are rules.
So what's the percentage or successful re homed foxhounds ,
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30-11-2012, 05:37 PM
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So what's the percentage or successful re homed foxhounds ,
I wouldn't know, I imagine much the same as any other challenging breed, but what I Do know is the vast majority aren't given the chance. Every hound registered with MFHA is pretty much doomed.

oops sorry, i was rushing when i replied, i didnt notice it was a question for Gnasher :/
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30-11-2012, 06:53 PM
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Got a phone call from my daughter this morning at work to say that for her father's birthday present (24th December) she has adopted a wolf for him from the UK Wolf Trust. We are members, and have visited, but I never thought about adopting a wolf. it is a fabulous idea and he will love it.

It is so sad that these beautiful creatures are still persecuted. It would be wonderful to see them re-introduced to the wilderness areas here in the UK, if there are any suitable areas left, which I doubt. i know there was an experiment in Scotland but the wolves looked to me as if they were "hybrids", not pure wolves.
I almost missed this Gnasher, sorry.

Thats a lovely Idea, The Wolf Trust are a great organisation and do a good job dispelling the myths about wolves..i'd love to visit one day. This year i adopted Valerie the chimp, at Monkey World, in memory of my lovely Mum, she was also called Valerie.

Have you seen what theyre doing to the wolves of the Yellowstone & Northern Rockies region? they spent all that money reintroducing them & achieved one of conservations most amazing success stories, the wolves went on to restore the damaged eco system...but the powerful hunting lobby got their way, wolves lost their protections and they are now being brutally annihilated

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30-11-2012, 08:41 PM
Hi Noushka,I'm here too.

Flint-of unknown heritage,foxhound cross found as a stray.
Craven-never worked,a cross between an English and Welsh foxhound.
Oh and a cat.

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30-11-2012, 09:38 PM
Most of you know my views on foxes & fox hunting

Think the young lady who saved the fox is a hero !

Ive quoted this before in posts & do so again as it describes how pathetic some in our so called civilised (?) society are


"Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the one who possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong, proves his moral inferiority to any creature that can not."
Mark Twain
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30-11-2012, 11:05 PM
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So what's the percentage or successful re homed foxhounds ,
I would take a guess and say well less than 10% ... because of HUMAN frailty, no fault of the hounds. I really have no idea of the stats and am taking a guess at it, so please don't criticise me if I have got it wrong.

Without wishing to imply that we are somehow special in the rehoming of difficult dogs, it is not being unfair on my own species if I place the blame for a low % of successful hound rehomes on just that - my own species. We have taken what was a wolf, and manipulated that wolf's genes to create a diverse "breed" called "dog". There are as we all know hundreds of "dog" breeds, all created by us, man, and IMO in most cases man has not done a brilliant job. His heart was in the right place, his intent and purpose was OK, but man being man, he screwed up. The trouble with creating a specialist, is that it is just that ... a specialist ... unfit for any other purpose than that for which it was created. So, we have our fox hound who ... if it can no longer chase and kill foxes for whatever reason ... is suddenly redundant, extraneous, not fit for purpose.

What to do? In my mind it is clear ... we, as humans, we have created these specialists that have suddenly become unfit for purpose. It is us who have taken the perfect template ... the wolf ... a beautiful animal, fully prepared to have a symbiotic relationship with Man. To live on Man's periphery, to guard his flocks, to help him on his hunts, in return for a few scraps of delicious cooked meat and a place near to the warm hearth. But then Man gets greedy, wants more, and starts to abuse the wolf, to inbreed him to get certain looks, certain characteristics, and it all goes belly up over a very short period of time ... a few thousand years, which in evolutionary terms is not even the wink of an eyelash.

I think our humble foxhound, to just quote one of a gazillion examples of dogs "in need of rescue and rehoming", deserves at least a chance. I am the very last person on earth to want to keep any animal alive just on the philosophy of "life at any cost". I would not want any hound to live in misery unnecessarily ... but every hound deserves a chance, and a chance with the RIGHT human, not the wrong ... a human who can respect that this hound might not want to sleep under a roof, but might prefer to sleep on a bed of straw in a shed. Or, to turn it around, a hound that might actually want to sleep in his new master's bedroom, and not downstairs all alone in the kitchen. A hound that, having been used to sleeping with many of his own kind, might appreciate living in a household where there is another dog, or dogs.

I am not an expert on hounds, but what I do strongly believe is that they deserve a chance ... the right chance.
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30-11-2012, 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
Most of you know my views on foxes & fox hunting

Think the young lady who saved the fox is a hero !

Ive quoted this before in posts & do so again as it describes how pathetic some in our so called civilised (?) society are


"Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the one who possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong, proves his moral inferiority to any creature that can not."
Mark Twain
It's not that often that we agree on a subject VB, but on this one we very definitely do. Well done mate!! Excellent post
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30-11-2012, 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by cravencraven View Post
Hi Noushka,I'm here too.

Flint-of unknown heritage,foxhound cross found as a stray.
Craven-never worked,a cross between an English and Welsh foxhound.
Oh and a cat.

Beautiful, beautiful hounds. I never thought I would see a photograph of a "hound lying down with a cat!!"
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30-11-2012, 11:09 PM
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I almost missed this Gnasher, sorry.

Thats a lovely Idea, The Wolf Trust are a great organisation and do a good job dispelling the myths about wolves..i'd love to visit one day. This year i adopted Valerie the chimp, at Monkey World, in memory of my lovely Mum, she was also called Valerie.

Have you seen what theyre doing to the wolves of the Yellowstone & Northern Rockies region? they spent all that money reintroducing them & achieved one of conservations most amazing success stories, the wolves went on to restore the damaged eco system...but the powerful hunting lobby got their way, wolves lost their protections and they are now being brutally annihilated

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Yes, I have seen, and was appalled. I truly believe there is no hope for our species. We have such knowledge, intelligence, ability to reason, to KNOW, and yet we still **** up. It makes no sense to me.
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01-12-2012, 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by cravencraven View Post
Hi Noushka,I'm here too.

Flint-of unknown heritage,foxhound cross found as a stray.
Craven-never worked,a cross between an English and Welsh foxhound.
Oh and a cat.

Well fancy seeing you here bet your ears have been burning Thanks for sharing the pic of your stunning pair, plus puss. lol.

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Originally Posted by Noushka05 View Post
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Yes, I have seen, and was appalled. I truly believe there is no hope for our species. We have such knowledge, intelligence, ability to reason, to KNOW, and yet we still **** up. It makes no sense to me.
Same here. We are such a greedy,selfish species we'll take it all, until theres nothing left!

Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
Most of you know my views on foxes & fox hunting

Think the young lady who saved the fox is a hero !

Ive quoted this before in posts & do so again as it describes how pathetic some in our so called civilised (?) society are


"Of all the creatures, man is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the one who possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong, proves his moral inferiority to any creature that can not."
Mark Twain
That quote by Mark Twain sums up man perfectly Thank you for posting it x
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