IS NOT A BIG GENE POOL

We arent talking about a Show Collie here


Hes NOT a breed dog, hes a Obedience champion,& alot of the Top Obedience dogs share the same lines. His Puppies go all over the world to compete in the doggy sports.

Please dont imply hes 10 a penny when you just dont know,

Hes the result of specialised breeding, hes not a accident. How many dogs around are like him?

That is not what I am implying at all, my point is , if he has produced offsprings who are not carriers, why not concentrate on them, to carry on his genes, retiring him along with all other carriers from the breeding programme..


But what of all the other carriers in the breed, are they all amazing too.

There may be tons of problems in the breed, but would`nt it be nice if you had one less NOW!!

Then you can concentrate on some of the others.

and what if all the carriers are actually all clear of another disease, or to put it another way, what if all those that are clear are carriers of another disease?
We are only talking about one disease, there are many out there and to eliminate some dogs just because they are carriers of ONE disease makes no sense what so ever.
Becky

It seems for the sake of one Dogs "attributes" this disease ranks low. I think that is such a shame, Id be far more interested in producing healthy animals than sacrificing that for the sake of one Dog (or others) that is good at what it does.

Whilst I appreciate what most of you are saying, IMO the only way to eradicate a disease completely, is to breed from only clear animals. Now I dont think I can put that any plainer, so I think thats it for me on this thread.

Hundreds I would think, that is what specailised breeding is all about, choosing the best to put to the best for what ever the discipline .

Of course it doesnt, far from it !
Why do you think there is a test and why do you think ethical breeders utilise it to ensure they don`t cause Affected pups to be born, and to be able to eradicate it from their lines by putting their carrier to clear, [ bear in mind how recent this test is...], then using the clears from that mating to further their lines ?

The shame is on the breeders who don`t test, they are the ones who will keep CEA going and only them.

A CEA carrier IS healthy, and when mated to a clear will not produce CEA affected pups thereore they will also be healthy, certainly as far as CEA is involved, [ need a bangng head on brick wall smiley ]

If you really understood Dawn, you would`nt be talking of `sacrificing` the way you are referring to it. As you know, I don`t breed, never have, never will, you know how staunch I am about what is ethical and what is`nt - that`s why I have done my homework on it - from ethical stand point - and is why I understand it, but you seem to be having great difficulty with it all, perhaps none of us are explaining it properly

And by putting a good dog which is a carrier to a good dog which is clear, the result will have clears to then continue the lines, and no affected pups in that first generation, then lo and behold, disease eradicated from their future lines.

Having a CEA Affected BC myself, if anyone here would be adamant about clear to clear only surely it would be me - but because I understand the condition and the hereditary side, I see nothing unethical about using carrier to clear in order to then eradicate it to continue to improve lines from a carriers otherwise excellent physical and mental attributes.

Edited to add, I did used to be very vocal about saying only clear to clear should ever be used - but that was before I really understood what I was talking about at the time

Can someone explain, if you used a carrier and mated it to a clear, would any of the pups be carriers or all clears?

There is a 50/50 chance they would be carriers.
Becky

You would be wrong there then!

He is healthy!!!!!!!!