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22-03-2011, 06:32 PM
IME a lot of trainers do not do as they say..............
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22-03-2011, 06:45 PM
Dont get me wrong I know there are breeders/competitors out there who have dogs sitting around in kennells......but that isnt all surely.
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23-03-2011, 08:44 AM
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I got into dryland mushing for Elroy. He's the kind of dog that NEEDS to be active everyday and enjoys being given a task to do.

I think he would be a keen flyball enthusiast, but nowhere anywhere near us seems to do it. He' loves to run and pull so we decided to give mushing a try. El took to it like a duck to water! He even came second in his first competition with my daughter (which we just went along to for the fun of it and to meet fellow mushers).

We got into the sport FOR the dog, to give him an outlet and for HIS enjoyment.

"Should you get a dog just to do a hobby with?"
We kinda did. Getting into mushing I learnt alot more about nordic breeds and their needs. Working in a rescue, there was a husky how'd bounced from home to home and had been with us for a few months. We decided to foster him when our kennels were full and an emergancy case came in. Whilst fostering I encouraged him to pull in harness on walks etc and once his fitness was up we tried mushing him. He loved it!

I'd never have considered a breed or dog I couldn't have let offlead for a run (which this boy certainly can't) before getting into this sport. He now gets his runs with me on the scooter behind him and both dogs get all excited when they see the scooter coming out. Ziggy and I even managed to come first in our first ever competition. I hadn't even thought about getting placed in it, we were just going along for the fun of getting a run and meeting like minded people.

"What happens if the dog grows up unable to do the hobby? Is it OK to pass them on to someone else?"

In our case, if either dog was no longer able to mush, they'd still have a home here, as does our 3 legged whippet.

In general I think people should be prepared that dogs can't always do the job that they were bred/bought for and be able to keep and care for the dog no matter what. But in the real world, if that's not possible, an excellent home that's aware of the dogs needs, compeltely vetted out etc should be sought to meet the dog's needs.

"Does it matter what the hobby is?"

So long as the dog is fit and able to do the hobby AND enjoys doing it, I don't see why not.

"Should dogs be bred just to do a hobby? - pedigree dogs? crossbreeds?"

This is a big can of worms, not easily answered. There are those that breed, breed, breed with their sports dogs willy nilly and there are those that maticulously select and carefully breed in order to produce dogs that can preform. I think the rights and wrongs of it comes down to each breeder's ethics; be they pedigree dogs bred for the person who enjoys showing or the crossbreeds being picked to breed for a specific purpose.
I think your story is a lovely example of your dogs dictating your "hobbies", rather than hobbies dictating what sort of dog you get
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23-03-2011, 08:55 AM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
far too many people imo have far too many dogs, just so they can get the chance to win.
How many dogs is acceptable to own, for you to fulfill your hobby, and make you a good owner!
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23-03-2011, 09:38 AM
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I think your story is a lovely example of your dogs dictating your "hobbies", rather than hobbies dictating what sort of dog you get
Thank you.
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23-03-2011, 10:03 AM
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I do agree with you in principle. It's very sad when humans put their animals' welfare below their own selfish desires. But another part of me thinks that there may be occasions when an animal would be better off in a new home where it is treated better & given all the things it needs & wants, than it would be if it stayed with a person who found the dog/rabbit etc to be "sub-standard", unworthy of attention, not worth caring for properly etc, just because the animal can't cope with the human hobby.
I agree, but it shouldnt be like that. People shouldnt treat a dog like that, and then get another one who they treat great... whether that is someone doing a hobby with a dog who isnt 'good enough' or someone who replaces an old dog with a pup. It is different with those who dont want the dog, and then keep to having no dog...
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23-03-2011, 10:56 AM
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How many dogs is acceptable to own, for you to fulfill your hobby, and make you a good owner!
Well speaking as someone who is home 24/7 near enough and has no other real committments I think 6/7 is probably too many if they are all needing the same sort of things. If they need different things and the area you live in is adapted to their needs then possibly it works for them.

However it also depends on what you see a dogs needs to be and that is flexible depending on the person.

I like old dogs to have a bit of cuddle time, a bit of pottering time with me around, a bit of chewing on bones/kongs time and a chance to meet other people/dogs most if not every day.

Middle aged ones the same but with one walk at least and lots of outside with me time with maybe a bit of training.

Younger ones training walking and the rest as well.

Some days it doesn't work as well as others and some days are very full all round.

Thats life.

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23-03-2011, 12:17 PM
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How many dogs is acceptable to own, for you to fulfill your hobby, and make you a good owner!
I am sure many people (including my parents!) think we are mad for having as many dogs as we do ... I have four of my own and hubby has eight ... blimey, we do have a lot of dogs However, very importantly, we also have time and lots of space and most of the dogs are needed for work. With working dogs you inevitably have the older/semi-retired or retired dogs, then the fully trained team of two or three, and then you need young dogs coming through to ensure you are never left without a competent working team. Not sure whether it works like that with a hobby also - I suppose it probably depends on how seriously and regularly you compete.
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23-03-2011, 12:21 PM
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Do you know for a fact that its to win with though. I mean me and mum between us have what most people would class alot of dogs..This has nothing to do with wanting to win..It has something to do with being passionate about a breed and helping with rescues..Some of which never left, and as such we have less show dogs than we do 'pets'. There will be various reasons as to why people have X amount of dogs, like us when we got into showing we never rehomed our family dogs.. Its not always black and white..and the amount of dogs doesnt always equal big time breeder/competitor.
Yes I do know for sure, people, even on here but in real life too talking about how they have no room for any more 'pets' and if the dog dosent make the grade then they will be passed on so they can get another dog to carry on with the hobby
I am not talking about people who just have alot of dogs because they love every one of them as individuals and make the time for them all.
imo if someone had 1 dog that didnt like the hobby they wanted it to do, they got rid of that dog and got another - imo THAT is too many dogs

Originally Posted by Dobermann View Post
but as long as the dog enjoys the sport (which it probably wouldnt do great in if it didnt)

the owner enjoys it

all the dogs are exercised and trained daily (which most likely are, even if its a small way/'game')

none are neglected in any way

How does that affect the dog negatively?
How do you know the dogs are NEVER allowed to socialise? Perhaps they get enough with all the other dogs at home and then when time other selected dogs...?

if there is only one or two dogs competing how do you know the others arent still walked daily?
imo it effects the dog negativly if ALL the interactions it gets are only driven towards the dog excelling at its hobby
especially if the owner is going to pass them on to a different home when they can no longer do the hobby
If the dogs are only socalised within their pack of dogs and only really see things to do with the hobby then it will be very stressfull for them to be moved on to another home, they are not socalised and able to cope with the different environment

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How many dogs is acceptable to own, for you to fulfill your hobby, and make you a good owner!
imo when the hobby is more important than the dog then its too many dogs - whether that is 1 or 200 dogs
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23-03-2011, 12:33 PM
imo it effects the dog negativly if ALL the interactions it gets are only driven towards the dog excelling at its hobby

I am a highly competitive owner, ALL my interactions with my dog are driven towards the dogs excelling at my hobbies, because I optimise their health by ensuring that their training/exercise regime looks at:

strength
Speed
Stamina
Skills

As well as their total wellbeing with regard to temperament which involves socialisation, habituation, including temperament testing.

So is my regime somehow detrimental to my dog by providing the huge variety of activities to enhance these which also enriches their lives???

If I had to rehome one of my dogs for one reason or another, does that mean they will come under a terrible amount of stress if the new owners did NOT take them swimming, biking, to the chiropracter, physio, hydrotherapist etc etc?


If the dogs are only socalised within their pack of dogs and only really see things to do with the hobby then it will be very stressfull for them to be moved on to another home, they are not socalised and able to cope with the different environment

All the people I know who compete successfully HAVE to have dogs that are socialised outside their pack otherwise they would not be able to compete with strange dogs etc!

So I am still struggling with your views..............
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