Malpeki - to read some of your posts outraged at what goes on in other countries and you always saying stuff would 'NEVER' be allowed in Germany - you'd be forgiven for thinking Germany has no cases of animal cruelty or abuse.

Reported just this year that German Animal Protection officers are issuing dire warnings for the country concerning Animal Brothels that are starting to pop up around the country. Animal Protection officers in the German state of Hesse are growing more and more frustrated with the law in Germany which states that it is illegal to film bestiality porn but actual bestiality is still very much legal.

Animal Brothels On The Rise, Bestiality Considered A Lifestyle Choice

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/826188/anim...4Z6L0BeKRW6.99

Some people would consider that quite a shocking state of affairs!

Germany may well have a lot of LAWS relating to Animal Welfare but that doesn't mean it doesn't have any PEOPLE who are guilty of animal cruelty.

Germany is an EU member state. EU has laws relating to Animal Welfare. Whether Germany goes way over and above that I don't know. But most cases of animal cruelty where PET ANIMALS are concerned comes down to evil people, not countries. And, in countries that are not so well developed or forward thinking as other larger countries you are always going to find a higher level of ill treatment. Because they are 'so far behind' the biggies.

Originally Posted by Rosebud77

This is appalling cruelty .. letting a critter die of starvation. REALLY! TNR works. Not this abominable cruelty.

Totally agree with Rosebud

It is not the cats fault that owners don't vaccinate/neuter/spay their kittens. Some kittens can come into season at 4 months! Kittens should be kept indoors until 6 months old, spayed/neutered AND micro-chipped BEFORE the decision is taken of whether to let them outside to roam is taken

Recently one of our Fosters took in a heavily pregnant KITTEN. Only a baby herself and definitely not ready mentally or physically for motherhood. Tiny little skin and bones girl not even six months. She had to have an emergency C-Section in order to deliver her kittens. All died one after the other over a week except one. Currently both this little momma kitten and her baby are very ill. If she hadn't been in rescue this little KITTEN would have died in agony trying to give birth. Her one surviving kitten is surviving due to the love, care and dedication of the Foster mom

TNR DOES WORK! It is the only humane and effective way of controlling feral cats. Majority of cats didn't become feral by choice, its peoples indifference, neglect, ignorance and stupidity that is at fault. If the cat is spayed/neutered the numbers will die down over a period of time and they will not reproduce

Many cats and kittens go missing - our Rescue has been in operation for t over three years, during that time there has only been two cats that have been microchipped and we have been able to return to their owners.

Despite popular belief many "pet" cats do not fare well living rough, lost or straying, they fall into ill health, become emaciated through starving and being unable to feed themselves

As for training cats, if you make the effort they are very trainable.

We have cats that come into our garden and leave a calling card, ok it would be better if they didn't, but I don't get uptight about it, as someone else says, live and let live

Our cats live indoors, they know no better, have had no other life. They have a large 30ft cat run attached to the end of the house where they can go outside if they please as and when they want. More often than not they will be found in the conservatory / utility areas or in the house itself.

Thanks for this

And meanwhile here I continue to feed any cat who is hungry. I cannot at present afford to TNR as it costs too much and even the local TNR schemes insists we pay but this much I can do. Hunger hurts.

My cats astonish my Irish landlord as he had no idea they can be trained. The big boy was strolling up the lane as we were talking; I called him and he ran to me. Better recall than collie!

Is it just Siamese you walked?

I ask because my dad used to be a Siamese breeder, the breed is known for being more 'dog like' - extremely confident, vocal and very very clingy. They are known as the best breed for leash walking. A more docile cat however, say a Persian, or a more independent personality of cat I have my doubts.....

No and believe me, Siamese can be very independent and wilful.

It is how we raise and treat them that matters and an owner caring enough to walk them has a good relationship. I have better recall with my present cats, rescue moggies, than with the collie and I have no doubt they would lead walk if I asked them to. Depends on the raising more that the temperament. Any cat can be trained to walk on lead.

My cats have always been close to me day and night. I have never had this creature they call independent loner! Oh except for the ferals.

[quote=Laurabehjet;2712505]Is it just Siamese you walked?

I ask because my dad used to be a Siamese breeder, the breed is known for being more 'dog like' - extremely confident, vocal and very very clingy. They are known as the best breed for leash walking. A more docile cat however, say a Persian, or a more independent personality of cat I have my doubts.....

Chilli wearing his harness, used to be walked along with the dogs until he was a year old. He's a very independent, confident cat, fazed by nothing.

Im not saying independent as in a loner, all of my cats have been extremely affectionate too with excellent recall but i doubt they would have walked nicely on lead.

Unless of course we have different ideas of what leash walking means?
To me, a cat walking nicely on lead would be happy walking nicely beside its owner?

But I imagine, that for most cats the nearest you would get is walking on the lead with constant stopping, starting, jumping on and off things and walking you rather than them.

I'm more than willing to be proved wrong though of course!

Well having done it with 2 cats, obviously trained as kittens, I know it's perfectly possible even though I no longer do it.

No, they walk alongside happily.

When I was first in Ireland, I had three cats, Siamese cross, one Siamese. They used to follow me everywhere, for miles, trotting along very happily.

Then I got twin pet lambs, so they would tag along in line behind the three cats.

Then I got the hen with no toes and she would tag along behind the lambs...

I do have that effect on critters...

If my present two cats see me outside and the dogs are away, they start shadowing me too.

[QUOTE=Trouble;2712512] Lovely photo; thank you