Just to say, not much to contribute as busy working at harmonising with my pet ;o) but am reading with interest!

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Yes I prefer to have them where I can see them

Sorry but that made me laugh
I stopped mine from coming down the stairs behind me, the day Ice knocked me flying on the stairs and I knocked myself unconcious! I woke up in a heap and found Ice asleep on the sofa.. Couldnt tell him off for it though, someone was posting something through the door as I was coming down the stairs, and fatman came charging down them and couldnt stop himself from crashing into me.
Would have been interesting to see what C.S.I would have made of that though, if i'd not woken up!

I too am reading this thread with interest.

Hey Bugzy ! Your dog obviously thinks your Alpha and was trying to stage a take-over !!

Hi Pidge !!

Because that what your example of raising wolves and the effects on the pups was all about.

Gnasher,
I was not suggesting you were lying, only mistaken.
I think you mistake a personal experience for evidence. There is a reason we don't base our scientific views on the personal experiences of people, specially a non expert. Not to get to full of myself by this takes us into a discussion of epistemology and you are using your belief and presenting it as fact.

It's true about some of our backyards, I could use my as an official football field.

Hate to disagree (not really) but hybrids are inherently unstable and cannot be trusted they way you do a dog. There is also a European study, I came across during my university years that also confirmed these anecdotal stories. In Europe, if you almost all wolf attacks turn out to be hybrids. This included escaped pets and feral hybrids - the details escape my because I think it was in French.... This in not a North American problem.

If you research some of these stories, the hybrids living accommodations and training was similar to what you suggest. In one case I recall, an experienced owner, witnessed an attack when his little girl fell in the backyard and vocalized which triggered the dog-wolf hybrid to attack.

Unlike dogs, hybrids do not have stable identities. By this, I mean that while you can confidently predict behavioral characteristics of dogs - even breeds - this cannot be done reliably with hybrids.

And similar TOR signalling pathways with yeast and HOX with mice and fruit flies and ....

BASE alignment is not enough

This bit's quite interesting - because I suspect most of their info would be based on the Schenkel idea of pack hierarchy/alpha - well, where else would they have got it from

Don't get me wrong, we have to be a leader/parent/guardian or whatever we want to call it, and if we don't train dogs or help them understand what is required, they will find their own jobs to do or get into what we'd call mischief, or just be very hard to live with.

From what you said in an earlier post though, you are not implementing any of the "pack" rules linked to pack theory but, you are simply being a good leader.

Now, that isn't the same as being an alpha (because by definition, in the context of this discussion, alpha is related to the Schenkel hierarchy system, which may mean physically fighting for "position" ) It (being a leader/guardian/parent etc) is perhaps not much different from what (for example) I may do

I expect you will disagree though

Well, your OH was listening to someone who believes a raised paw is a sign of dominance. Which is totally wrong information, no doubt about it
(but let's not get into a CM discussion! )


How exactly did you do this though? it would be interesting to know .

Wys
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