They are trying to establish if it was an illegal breed or type. The news also said there were complaints to the council in February this year about excessive dog breeding at the address.

I know they did what they had to do with the dog, I don't like the fact they just outright shoot it before gathering the facts. I'd be interested to see what they class as an "agitated state".

The family may well have their own cross to bear but I still places my bets on the full responsibilty being pointed at the dog and not the owners. A four year old child should not be left alone with a dog of any breed and unfortunately that appears to be what has happened.

Now the stories will flood in that bull breed dogs should all be banned and that they are vicious killers and the familys guilt will be eased by the media convincing them that they did nothing wrong and that it's just the way these bull breeds are.

I think you've answered you own question.

You have laid the blame at the feet of genetics and enviroment.

How do you know that both of these factors are at play? How do you know that one factor did not predominate over the other? Or that one factor was not wholly responsible? How can you be sure that a well-bred dog in a similar enviroment might not also have posed a risk. Or that an equally ill-bred (if it was ill-bred) dog might not pose an equal risk even in a different enviroment?

To simply say the dog was unstable is analogous to saying the crashed car was unsafe. It doesn't advance our understanding unless we know how and why things went wrong and trying to ascertain that with a major part of the puzzle destroyed just makes things harder and our conclusions less reliable.


Possibly an investigation would have yeilded no useful information but to throw away the opportunity with even trying is to doom us to repeating the same old mistakes.

Isn't it kind of obvious though? I don't like to make generalizations about people and dogs but looking at the fatal dog attacks of recent years, the situation, people and breeds involved are all pretty similar to one another. That isn't a coincidence.

Are you struggling to understand the word 'PERSON'
I said any dog that kills a PERSON should be pts.
Yes thats PERSON, not other animal. If you care to read my posts i did say that dog on dog aggression(and any dog animla aggression) is not the same as dog HUMAN aggression.

I'm not allowed to talk generally about dogs?

As I don't know this particular dog or owners to join in with all of you who obviously do I'd better back out now.

The police have not released the breed of dog.Just said on North west news that they are investigating to see if it was an illegal breed and therefore a criminal act to own it....
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