Blah !!Blah! Blah! here we go again,, Labman and his ramblings... or is it Dr Sanmat writings he is regurgitating yet again.



if you say so...

Personally if you have not paid for your holiday , I would postpone it till later on.

Every book, magazine, college course, TV program, whatever, they all say exactly the same thing 'Those early days are so important and set the way the dog will react in everything latter in life'. Many so called 'problem' dogs have had contact with humans with held when a puppy.

Postponing your holiday until he is older is the way to go.

... Thank goodness members on Dogsey are not afraid to challenge your outdated and often cruel methods of puppy care.

Not one of our thousands of members except yourself has ever advocated underfeeding a puppy, shutting it a dark cage on a wire grid with nothing to lay on and without water for most of each day and the many other bizarre methods you mention of raising dogs. Personally I wouldn't trust you with a stuffed toy let alone a real puppy.

I dont agree with Labman, but do we need to attack him?
I dont think attacking him will make him change his opinions, but maybe if we challenge without getting personal and offer alternatives, people may take that on board, i know it worked for me.

if you can prospone then do so, i have seen dogs that young and younger in kennels, but we were careful where we put them and kept their diet. do you know the kennels you would use?? have you used them before. As for mithering the older dog, we use to but a cage (with permission from the owner) in the kennel to but the older/younger dogin for a short period to all them to have restbite without being separated.
Do you use a cage for house training at home?? would the kennels be willing to use a cage at night so your house training wouldnt suffer as much??
ATD x

Trouble is we have tried that many times, there is as little chance of changing Labmans views , as there is of hell freezing over.

Patience has worn thin, to the point of breaking... with Labman, he cannot be allowed to continue to spill his vile practices and for those who read it , see it as acceptable, hence why so many members now see it as a duty to educate those who are reading the forum, that the man is out of the ark.

Lets not also forget, Labman is no victim here, he has and does give out the insults on a far bigger scale than any other member here.

Labman some of us here have read a great deal with regard to Scott and Fullers Bar Harbour project and about Pfaffenburger's work with guidedogs. We are also well aware of the methods used by the Monks of Skete who still cling to the outdated theories of dominance and believe in correction rather than positive reinforcement training. We have read the opinions of these people and more up to date findings by others too.

I noted in another thread you posted a list of training books recommended by your organisation;
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php...19#post1817219
...many of the authors listed teach positive reinforcement training for dogs and don't agree with the outdated dominance theory , so might I suggest you actually read a few of the books on your list then as a self proclaimed 'expert' you will be better equipped to raise puppies and to advise others on the subject.

Unless you can have someone come into your house and look after them for a week (would have to be a very kind friend/family member to deal with housebreaking a young puppy!), then I agree with the eithers. Either change your holiday or get a pup from a different litter after you get back.

I can appreciate it must be frustrating, but he is entitled to his opinion whether others like it or not, and i nthink we are all able to make an advised judgement on whether the advise in posts is good or not, especially with all the challenging that does go on.
I totally agree with challenging things, thats the beauty of this forum, but i dont agree with the personal unkind comments that appear a lot on dogsey. I have been on the end of it and its not nice.
This does apply to labman too, but even if he continues with insults it doesnt mean we have to resort to the same.

I hope that makes sense i would just like this forum to be a little less personal when we dont agree with each other.

Hello everyone thank you for all the advise, my husband had Sammy dog when we met he was two he is now 4 and is still very much a pup, we never go anywhere without him and when we have been on holiday abroad we always leave him with friends or family.
I would never want to distress him or our new pup.
So after all your advise i wont be going away till the middle of next year and the pup should be around 8 months old?
hopefully by then we will also have someone who will look after them for us, instead of kennels!
This is the reason we have put of having a pup as i understand its hard to find someone to look after two?
WELL THANKS