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09-01-2011, 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by Tarimoor 
Because foxes had been spotted in the vicinity, the remains of the cat had been found strewn across the front lawn, after an altercation had been heard, two foxes that were bold enough to be caught in humane traps were destroyed? I'm not sure why anyone questions that it was surely a fox, and most likely one of the foxes killed, that was the predator??
Honestly, it really brings it back to the couple whose twins were attacked by foxes, and they were subject to a torrent of abusive correspondence.
Foxes are beautiful creatures, in the right place, but out of context, they can be a nuisance, and they can also become destructive. I know a game keeper who has a pet fox, he has no qualms about keeping numbers on the shoot under control, doesn't want to exterminate them, and his pet fox is a lovely animal.
Another example of people who truly care about the enironment, just last week it was reported a Scottish deer stalker had resigned following a decision to shoot all year round, to preserve the Scots pine in certain areas.
All these blood thirsty people, obviously only in it for the kill
again i'll tell you why i question it! because if you feel strongley about conservation like i do then you would never put an alien species above an indiginous one.
just because foxes have moved into towns(or should i say towns moved into foxes
) dosent mean they shouldnt be there, the most successful species are those who have adapted to live close by man and if wild animals are to survive then what else can they do with an ever shrinking natural world???shame more creatures arnt as adaptable as the fox imho.
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09-01-2011, 09:33 AM
Reading this thread is making me re-think getting Louie into some kind of shooting class - think I'll go with tracking or some sort of retrieval instead..The only thing I shoot regularly... is people
Airsofting and it's usually a camera shot
thats a good sport to get into (no one gets killed yet the satisfaction of "killing" them is still there)
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09-01-2011, 09:35 AM
Not all animals are shot cleanly and die instantly. They are 'retrieved' and then killed. Some will not be retrieved because their injuries will not be bad enough yet to prevent them from fleeing the scene fast. Amazing how fast you can run after being shot. Those that are retrieved DO suffer but in the eyes of the humans involved that time is irrelevant.
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09-01-2011, 09:36 AM
Originally Posted by SLB
Reading this thread is making me re-think getting Louie into some kind of shooting class - think I'll go with tracking or some sort of retrieval instead..The only thing I shoot regularly... is people
Airsofting and it's usually a camera shot
thats a good sport to get into (no one gets killed yet the satisfaction of "killing" them is still there)
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09-01-2011, 09:38 AM
Originally Posted by rune
OK----now we are getting near the truth.
Not all animals are shot cleanly and die instantly. They are 'retrieved' and then killed. Some will not be retrieved because their injuries will not be bad enough yet to prevent them from fleeing the scene fast. Amazing how fast you can run after being shot. Those that are retrieved DO suffer but in the eyes of the humans involved that time is irrelevant.
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09-01-2011, 09:59 AM
Originally Posted by rune
OK----now we are getting near the truth.
Not all animals are shot cleanly and die instantly. They are 'retrieved' and then killed. Some will not be retrieved because their injuries will not be bad enough yet to prevent them from fleeing the scene fast. Amazing how fast you can run after being shot. Those that are retrieved DO suffer but in the eyes of the humans involved that time is irrelevant.
rune
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09-01-2011, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by NOUSHKA05
so even tho studies have shown the millions of cats KILL MILLIONS of our wildlife you dont believe it
...and you dont believe it because if it were true there would be a LAW to keep cats under control haha .....well we all know the laws an ass dont we if it wasnt.. for no other reason than to preserve our last few Scottish Wildcats wouldnt there have been laws to keep cats secure to protect them at least?! oh and also laws to stop puppy farming, etc etc!!!! deary me you are clutching at straws now arnt ya
and why do YOU keep LYING and saying i want cats KILLED
... is it desperation or something like cats they do terrible destruction to our indiginous wildlife they will never be naturalised so as lovely as i think they are they have to be erradicated!
and your views on free roaming cats are??
Feral cats need to be controlled, I am not a fan of shooting them, but certainly spay/neuter or euthanasia, depending on individual circumstances.
Domesticated one, I have no particular view on, they are pets, and as such need to be treated as such.
Originally Posted by Pidge
Reps!
Unfortunately I know (over hear) many ''marksmen'' (term used purely to relate) who admit it's sometimes not a clean shot. How disgusting.
I went out for a drive, walk and pub supper tonight. We stopped at a pub that is famous for it's menu. After ordering a glass of red we browsed the menu, only to realise to our disgust that fois gras was on the menu. We got up from our table and left with me having made it perfectly clear why I was leaving to everyone in there.
Man causing death, harm and suffering to animals is inexcusable, no matter how many arguments you throw this way.
Wild life is just that, they live a natural wild life, and when controlled they are done so humanly and quickly, or should be.
We have a duty of care to make sure what wildlife we have is able to continue in as healthy a condition as possible, and whether people like it or not, the way to that is conservation, and conservation includes control of numbers.
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09-01-2011, 10:25 AM
Wild life is just that, they live a natural wild life, and when controlled they are done so humanly and quickly, or should be.
- end quote jackbox
If only it were so simple doesnt always happen that way - sadly
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09-01-2011, 10:29 AM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
I really cant see your connection of fois gras to the control of our wildlife, force feed poultry yes, but we make our choice NOT to eat or buy it.
I find it sad. I also feel very sad reading some of the comments on here about killing animals.
I can't help that.
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09-01-2011, 12:00 PM
This may happen already in certain cases but overall the approach to wildlife management seems unstructured and individualistic which is why many people have a problem with it at the moment - Farmer has fox/rabbit etc. problem so shoots/poisons the offenders. The subject of the article is a case in point; one man's response to the loss of his pet. I am not sure how people can honestly claim that the hunting/shooting that goes on is primarily to keep the balance of nature when there is so little reference to the bigger picture. It is a response that is as personally driven as the decision of an urban family to feed the wildlife in their garden.
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