So basically you are the KEEPER of the dog rather than the owner, a bit like my company car!

You have in fact leased the dog for in indeterminate length of time for a fixed fee.

It does not make me feel better or worse, I just find it amusing when people use certain terminology to justify certain actions.

If and when new laws come in re compulsory microchipping and subsequent legislation this will prove interesting................... as Trevor Cooper indicated at the recent seminar I attended.

Not sure what else you can call it , when you hand over money for something.

Where do you think these dogs come from if not breeders..

Dont see why microchipping laws would change a thing, Dogs Trust chip ALL their dogs

and basically the reason dogs trust do it the way they do is that they are taking responsibility for a dog for its whole life, if I die or can no longer look after Ben they have commited to always take him back.

I dont feel the need to justify anything, I know the contract I entered into when I got ben, it was not a purchase or a hire, it is an adoption for which I gave a donation to the charity. They had a suggested amount for the donation but it was not compulsary

It always counfounds me how people can fight about the smallest things on here to make themselves feel better
I cannot see myself buying a dog from a breeder - that was the point I was making, as everyone full well knows

Whether people say I buy, rent, hire, steal, lease, adopt or whatever my dogs does not make a blind bit of difference to me or my dogs

It always counfounds me too, when people wont admit they have "bought" "paid" for their pet from a rescue,then feel they have to justify it with an explanation of "donation", why not just say you bought your dog from a rescue, I agree it does not matter in the great scheme of things, so why get so defensive over the price you have been charged.

If it makes you feel better to disguise by using one word over another, that's fine, but lets call a spade a spade, you "pay " a fee , set by the rescue for the dog.

I had a rescue years ago , sadly we could not keep him, we paid the fee they asked, just as I would with any breeder I went too.

Of course I wouldnt be happy if they just came and demanded him back - but they are not liekly to do that unless i was failing his wellfare or I haddnt got him neutered, otherwise it is just in the event of my death they take over responsibility for Ben again
It is the contract I signed for

There are plenty of ways you can hand over money without buying things. If you put money in someones charity box and they give you a sticker are you buying a sticker or donating to charity?
If someone does something nice for you and you know they are a bit short of cash and you give them some are you buying their kindness?

If you give money to a homeless person and it makes you feel good are you buying happieness?

I dont know how many times I have to say this before anyone understands
I am NOT supporting the breeders, with a puppy going to a rescue then the person who has bred the puppies is financially out of pocket breeding that litter
yes of course no doubt someone will argue that they are being supported by the pups being taken away to give them more room for more pups - but the pups would be got rid of anyways, either sold or other less nice ways
But if someone produces an accidental litter of pups and makes some nice money out of that then it is possible that they would consider more pups in the future as 'easy money'
If they are out of pocket for the whole thing, and in the rescue place are given advice and see first had the rescue problem in the UK - then it is hopefully less likely that they will wish to breed in the future

I am giving the money to the rescue and so supporting the rescue
I am also supporting the rescue by taking a dog from them so they have room to rescue more dogs

i dont need to feel better thanks

i have bought,and i have 'rescues' that i paid no money for.

What a totally ridiculous statement to make, as of course if you stole your dogs you could be put in prison and your dogs be rehomed or better still reunited with their lawful owners.

Because to me I did not BUY a dog
I gave the suggested donation
as I have already said he belongs to Dogs Trust so it is not possible that I bought him
I made a simple comment that I would be unlikely to buy a dog - it was YOU guys that jumped on that and attempted to justify your beliefs that I have bought a dog
I do not agree with those beliefs - why is that such a big deal to you, are your beliefs so shakey that you need everyone to agree with them to validate you?
It does not make me 'feel better' it is simply the facts. As already said in the eyes of the law it was a donation - thats good enough proof for me

well I think in reality you should take your comments up with the Dogs Trust, they are their policies and if you feel that they are wrong then perhaps you should convince them that they need to change their policies
But until they do I stand by what was on the contract that I signed
I paid a donation to adopt Ben, ony my death or if I should be unable to keep him or if they believe Bens wellfare is suffering the dogs trust retain the right to reclaim him

Seriously I would have though people would have agreed with the idea that a dog rescue takes responibility for the full lifetime of the dog and dosent just forget about them once they find them a home
is that not what you expect a good breeder to do

anyways, im done with your childish bickering.
I paid a donation to adopt my dog
thats what is there in black and white - take it up with dogs trust if you have an issue with it