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dixondog
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07-11-2011, 07:32 PM
I agree with Ben here i would work on getting him 100% focused on you all the time before I tried getting him to socalise with dogs and humans I never go to a training class situation but understand some people have no option,work on getting him so he only has eyes for you by using food or a toy whichever he wants most apart from you also be aware of your own fear you said earlier about trying to protect him and about the fear of him biting and being taken away,the fear alone can control you and the way you act, don't mean that in a mean way but sometimes we don't notice how much we fear something that hasnt happened and by fearing urged can make it happen if that makes sense!
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07-11-2011, 07:33 PM
Sorry about spelling mistake am posting from my phone
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07-11-2011, 07:50 PM
I'll try to remember to take the BAT book to work tomorrow and scan a few pages for you to have a glance at. It seems to have gone up a few quid since I bought it the other week but it's around £10 on Amazon at the moment.
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08-11-2011, 09:56 AM
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Oh and I meant to add, I don't know what people made of this, but after I interrupted Cain with a shout and he stopped instantly, I put him straight on his bed and told him to stay, which he did. The weird thing was that within 30 seconds of being put on his bed, he closed his eyes and rested his head on the floor. It was strange as I expected him to keep an eye on Tim if he was that freaked out by him Why do you think he was willing to close his eyes? Is it a sign that he wasn't that worried? Or is it some sort of shutting down coping mechanism? He seemed normal enough.

Also when Tim had to leave, to diffuse his movement and to finish on a positive I gave Tim treats to scatter on the floor. However Cain came over and wanted to take them out of Tim's hand before Tim had a chance to drop them. I got Tim to throw a huge handful on the floor to distract Cain. By the time Cain turned around, Tim had gone. But Cain seemed perfectly happy to attempt to approach him again for treats

Thinking back to the incident, Tim said he wasn't touching Cain at the time, but Cain was standing in a small area between two armchairs so maybe he felt trapped?
Because before Cain (sorry I called him moon ) was told that going for Tim was not what you wanted, he probably thought it was ok , the right thing to do, doing his job . So when you corrected him, he knew that Tim was welcome. He relaxed because he knew this and because he saw that you were taking charge imo.


Sorry for the meltdown, I just find his aggression towards people so much harder to deal with than his aggression towards dogs, it really upsets me. It scares me how he doesn't give any clear warnings, how he's unpredictable, how despite all my efforts I still live in fear that one day, somehow he might bite someone, get taken away and put to sleep. I think that's why it affects me so much and makes me feel so low. It helps to be reminded that there are people out there who are going through the same thing and feeling the same way too.
Cain's breeding is to guard against all comers. He will bite an intruder if he is not told otherwise, that is just in his genes imo. My BK is exactly the same but you know that is a possibility with breeds like that. If I was you I would accept that and then work from there. So think of it as - Cain is starting to accept tim! That is one more person.
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08-11-2011, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=BangKaew;2392254
Cain's breeding is to guard against all comers. He will bite an intruder if he is not told otherwise, that is just in his genes imo. .[/QUOTE]

No. It`s not.
Dogs can become aggressive due to circumstances but this is a reaction, not a state of being.
Aggression is usually due to a lack of confidence. Yes, you can breed timid dogs but you can also train them in a way which will increase their confidence.
If your dog is aggressive, I would be looking at why this is happening, not at breeding.
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08-11-2011, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by BangKaew;2392254

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Cain's breeding is to guard against all comers. He will bite an intruder if he is not told otherwise, that is just in his genes imo. My BK is exactly the same but you know that is a possibility with breeds like that. If I was you I would accept that and then work from there. So think of it as - Cain is starting to accept tim! That is one more person.
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What complete and utter DANGEROUS twaddle!"

I have a GSD that is trained in protection, it is certainly NOT his job (or that of any other dog) to "guard against all comers" and if a dog did "bite an intruder if not told otherwise" that would be a sign of an unstable, poor temperament and/or very poorly trained/socialised dog!

It is the OWNER who makes the decisions in the house NOT the dog. I can take my dog anywhere and people can come into my house with NO fear of being bitten by an out of control dog!

What you are suggesting is totally unacceptable.

It may well be that this dog is genetically unsound and thus will always be unpredictable, but it is still not "acceptable" for dogs to make their own risk assessments.
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08-11-2011, 11:14 AM
Well said SB! My retired police dog does not guard my house he is very friendly with every visitor to my house because he knows that's wot i want,my other gsds and rottie are not aggressive either!
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08-11-2011, 11:24 AM
Also I have taken in badly bred aggressive gsds and with good leadership they quickly learn that it is not acceptable to bite humans and I don't teach them using aggressive methods just strict routine and consistant signals and training,if you allow the dog to make its iwn choices they will make mistakes cos they aren't humans and they don't know human life
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08-11-2011, 04:53 PM
Booked in to see Chirag on 22 November.
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08-11-2011, 05:02 PM
Good, he should be able to give you some excellent help.
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